Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein didn't have any children. I wonder where they

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein didn't have

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Ken Arromdee wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein didn't have

[WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/01/25/100125fa_fact_goodyear?currentPage=all The pivotal fact of Gaiman’s childhood is one that appears nowhere in his fiction and is periodically removed from his Wikipedia page by the site’s editors. When he was five, his family moved to East

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Ken Arromdee
The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the sources. This is useful when there's a serious question about whether the information is accurate, but it's also abused when there's no serious

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread quiddity
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: ... elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the information is hard to find is that Neil Gaiman is trying to keep it

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/18 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: ... elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the information is hard to

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM, quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: ... elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread David Gerard
2010/1/18 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com: Did you know there's not one single use of the term 'Scientology' on neilgaiman.com or any subdomains? Given his family is Scientologist, he was raised a Scientologist in a major bastion of Scientology, married a Scientologist, and so on, and given

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread David Gerard
2010/1/18 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the sources.  This is useful when there's a serious question about whether the information is accurate,

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/18 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the sources.  This is useful when

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread quiddity
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/18 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: ... elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless it has *two*

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from. Wikipedia's article on Heinlein nowhere says he didn't