Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Ken Arromdee wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: >> >>> If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks >>> of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein >>> didn't have any chil

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Gwern Branwen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: >> >>> If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks >>> of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein >>> didn't have any ch

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: > >> If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks >> of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein >> didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from. >> > > Wikipedia's ar

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: >> If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks >> of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein >> didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that fro

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote: > If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks > of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein > didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from. Wikipedia's article on Heinlein nowhere says he didn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread quiddity
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2010/1/18 quiddity : >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: >> ... >>> elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless >>> it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2010/1/18 Ken Arromdee : > >> The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to >> filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the >> sources.  This is useful when there's a serious question ab

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread David Gerard
2010/1/18 Ken Arromdee : > The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to > filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the > sources.  This is useful when there's a serious question about whether the > information is accurate, but it's also abu

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread David Gerard
2010/1/18 Gwern Branwen : > Did you know there's not one single use of the term 'Scientology' on > neilgaiman.com or any subdomains? Given his family is Scientologist, > he was raised a Scientologist in a major bastion of Scientology, > married a Scientologist, and so on, and given that people hav

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM, quiddity wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > ... >> elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless >> it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the >> information is hard to find is

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/18 quiddity : > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > ... >> elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless >> it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the >> information is hard to find is that Neil Gaiman is trying to

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread quiddity
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: ... > elsewhere.  Our rules generally don't say we can't use information unless > it has *two* sources; and in this case it's obvious that the reason the > information is hard to find is that Neil Gaiman is trying to keep it quiet, > not that i

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Ken Arromdee
The problem is that Wikipedia policies pretty much encourage editors to filibuster changes they don't like by demanding sources and questioning the sources. This is useful when there's a serious question about whether the information is accurate, but it's also abused when there's no serious questi

[WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-18 Thread Gwern Branwen
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/01/25/100125fa_fact_goodyear?currentPage=all "The pivotal fact of Gaiman’s childhood is one that appears nowhere in his fiction and is periodically removed from his Wikipedia page by the site’s editors. When he was five, his family moved to East Grinste