t that has already been made?
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:26 AM, George Herbert
wrote:
> They don't all come from earthquakes; they can come from underwater
> volcanic activity or landslides.
>
> The landslide may not have a significant felt earthquake associated
> with
it seems nearly all our earthquake article
titles have been standardised, and surprisingly the wiki didn't fall
apart (I'm being slightly sarcastic here).
Of course, things staying the way they are would also work just as well.
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d to work
together with them on what action (if any) to take.
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Scott MacDonald
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> After the confrontation between Derrick Coetzee and the National Portrait
> Gallery, I thought people would enjoy this irony.
>
> I wandered on to this page of t
onds
to years)? Can website E legitimately claim copyright on the text if
they are the only ones publishing it and the Wikipedia article
currently says something different?
I think I know the answers to these questions, but am not sure, so
want to see w
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:22 AM, geni wrote:
> On 21 March 2011 10:11, Carcharoth wrote:
>> What should happen here and what implications does it have for
>> copyright situations? Can you claim copyright on a piece of text
>> buried deep in page history, many months or year
n actual published
book-length biography. What shouldn't be done is piecing together bits
from newspaper articles and primary sources - that is what official
and unofficial biographers do, and we shouldn't be doing it in their
stead.
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> What shouldn't be done is piecing together bits
> from newspaper articles and primary sources
I should have mentioned that obituaries from reliable newspapers are
generally OK, but should be considered superseded if a book-length
b
l examples of building biographies piecemeal. But
hopefully those were done in a responsible manner. I won't say
newspaper sources were avoided, but merely that newpapers didn't cover
these people.
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Scott MacDonald
wrote:
> Good grief,
ent of its own
obscurity. i.e. Create articles that will be found by people arriving
from other articles, not obscure standalone articles that don't help
fill in redlinks elsewhere on Wikipedia.
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stubs as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._M._Hedges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Street,_Jr.
But some articles are unlikely to be anything more than stubs.
Sometimes I've put such information in footnotes to an article, rather
than create a new article.
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> On 28 March 2011 20:37, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> But some articles are unlikely to be anything more than stubs.
>
> The question is whether this is better than no information at all.
As I said, the information can s
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Stephen Bain wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>>
>> My other theory is that writing stand-alone articles is not a good
>> thing in the long-run. Articles should be created if there is a demand
>> for t
ad to think how many megabytes of discussion are spent on
discussing nationalities.
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes
Actually, Descartes may have been a bad example. The change was here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ren%C3%A9_Descartes&diff=next&oldid=407801169
Seems someone chan
starting a discussion in the
first place. That is done to a certain extent at RFC, but not anywhere
else, I don't think.
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to link back to those articles, and maybe link from other articles. As
it was, I was unable to do this and this caused some problems (which
it is best not to go into here).
So is there anyway to encourage or help with whatever needs to be done here?
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On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:10
tors that has become useless because of the
use of such templates. This has been known for a long time, and
sometimes technical people say that something can be done, but rarely
does something actually get done.
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> got a wrong answer.
Probably another Superbowl watcher who's halftime entertainment was to
vandalise articles about people he or she had just seen on the
television.
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/wiki/Beatrice_Lillie
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Chapin
Only template on the latter is Persondata. The former has lots of
templates, but if you are getting the same problem with both articles,
the problem is likely not templates.
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ld accelerate the freeing of these works.
I think some already exist. Mention of Canada and orphan works rings a
bell, but I can't remember the name of the organisation.
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y, I'm surprised
that the situation with Twitter and a UK footballer hasn't been
discussed more on Wikipedia, but maybe I'm missing the discussion and
that is happening somewhere.
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On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> that the situation with Twitter and a UK footballer
I was looking at the wrong article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_British_super-injunction_controversy
This one is more specific:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w
e? To his mother's maiden name or
something. Apparently Ryan Giggs was born Ryan Joseph Wilson.
Something I never realised before. Giggs is his mother's maiden name.
Fred, thanks for pointing out the thread on foundation-l.
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quot; section is too long. In fact, the whole article is too
long. It is a blow-by-blow account and I suspect not many readers make
it to the end of the article. Reading the lead section is sufficient.
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I can agree with this. Most articles summarise their sources, and
serve as a starting point for further reading on the topic. This
article appears to be the starting and the ending point. Sometimes
less is more. State what is needed, and let the reader then read more
elsewhere as they see fit.
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Carl (CBM) wrote:
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> I can agree with this. Most articles summarise their sources, and
>> serve as a starting point for further reading on the topic. This
>> article appears to be the
people if they want more.
The way to get balance is to look at articles on other neologisms and
see how long those are.
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main source) on where and how to summarize. That needs
doing here.
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no record of the discussion (unless
you summarise it somewhere). Advantages and disadvantages.
One of the key advantages of editors who are academics and students is
easier access to academic sources, of course.
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opers are following their preferences or whether it is software
and/or time and available resources that is constraining them. But an
important point for developers to pick up on is no matter how
brilliant the work they do, it won't get used if the community it is
written
ench (fr) and Italian (it)
Wikipedia, so could be dealt with by translation efforts, but nothing
on the first example. Some of the more obscure branches of the tree of
life are replete with redlinks.
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at different stages, or are
expending their efforts in the wrong places.
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much so, that when
I buy (or browse) books that I might consider useful for Wikipedia
editing, the first thing I do is look at the back to see how good the
references are (if there are any). If there are none, I may buy
(borrow if in a library) the book anyway as something of interest
ing operates. Possibly that option was thrown in to ensure that
the content would be deleted and not retrievable from the page
history. Without that bit, it is merely a merge and/or renaming
proposal. With the elimination of redirects, it becomes a deletion
proposal.
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>>>
>>> That seems to me to misunderstand what redirects are for and how
>>> merging operates. Possibly that option was thrown in to ensure that
>>> the content would be deleted and not retrievable from the pa
t is about?
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
> The announcement is a few days old, but I missed it (and it doesn't
> seem to have turned up on the lists yet), so:
>
> http://about.jstor.org/participate-jstor/individuals/early-journal-content
>
> "On S
public domain available. I haven't tried to make of copy of
> anything yet; however, they have terms of service conditions which seem
> to allow only access, not reuse.
I thought there was something in that FAQ on redistribution. Maybe
have another look?
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:07 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 11 September 2011 22:05, Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>
>>> Maxwell is ours, see
>>> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_Royal
The
former is harder with budget cuts, but the latter (older issues) can
usually be ordered up from somewhere. Online access is more
convenient, but not always necessary. Maybe one day people will be
surprised that books were ever offline and not availble online 24/7
from the m
he JSTOR website.
So people probably are reading the article in question, but not at the
per-article rate.
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expecting people to buy it. Many of the books
I've bought that have been expensive academic ones state that they are
based on, or are an extension of the author(s) PhD work or other
thesis work. I was also under the impression that PhD theses are
printed
ty Press.
ISBN 0-300-03015-0
A nice book, replete with footnotes detailing the sources used.
Despite the Yale University Press imprint, it is not really academic.
More a survey of the various memorial schemes and so on.
I picked it up for less than £1 at a seco
.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:35 AM, MuZemike wrote:
> Does anyone think we can really get an actual "consensus" for anything
> big anymore on en.wiki?
>
> To take from Beeblebrox on the Signpost not too long ago
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki
Today's featured article is all of 6 paragraphs long. Discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MissingNo.
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entry point to Wikipedia,
with a brief scan of what is there if the passing visitor is not in a
rush, and maybe following some of the links if something looks
interesting. Those who want to follow some regularly may be more
likely to use RSS or some other syndication service.
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can legitimately be made FA, no matter how unencyclopedic, if
> you rewrite it, move it to a different name and change the topic.
That's not an entirely serious answer, is it?
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote:
> In other words, upon reading this featured article, something is Missing,
> No?
This thread is turning pun-itive.
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ly small
part of Wikipedia and you can have some areas that are deserted and
others that are very active. This isn't found by looking at global
statistics, but by looking at the actual editing and histories out
there "on the ground".
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is a reason or rationale behind the posts, attempting to demonstrate
something, then fine, but it would be courteous to state that rather
then just post randomly like this.
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
> but I won't see any replies to that mailing list as I'm not
> subscribed there.
Seems like I should subscribe:
"Due to a large amount of spam, emails from non-members of this list
are now automatically rejected. I
be measured objectively, and that
quality can only be measured subjectively. But I'd support something
that moved the focus away from quantity towards quality.
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rewriting and rebalancing things.
Whether that is building on what went before, or not, I'm still not
entirely sure.
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On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Ian Woollard wrote:
> OTOH quantity has a quality all of its own. So far as I know, there's no
> good measure of how muc
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Ian Woollard wrote:
> On 1 October 2011 18:15, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> The assumption "Presumably anything that still remains is of
>> sufficient quality for whatever level the article is" has so much
>> wrong with it that I don&#
ouldn't
> be giving them shortcuts to do so. The existence of the template serves to
> legitimise such dismissive discourse.
Template:Jackass exists as a navigational template for the show.
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when something is so wrong it is funny,
if you get my drift.
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ces. The monkey stuff seesm
to come from the experiment described here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/02/02/monkey-see-monkey-facepalm/
Trouble is, most easily findable sources are blogs like this:
http://www.healthkicker.com/754153008/the-science-of-
s) are not bad:
http://www.indiabix.com/body-language/hand-to-face-gestures/
Certainly far better than Wikipedia's lamentable efforts on the topic.
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an in-joke).
Or rather, you are all pribbling plume-plucked puttocks.
No, I don't know what that means either, but (to use Scott's phrase)
it sounds 'kewl'.
I wonder if Shakespearean insults would work better than trout and
facepalm templates. Probably not.
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don't take the time to look into a user's editing
history, but want to finish what they've started and move on to
something else.
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, petr skupa wrote:
> Boldness
>
> In some way I am starting to believe, that we should
aid organisation not only of the
included material, but the excluded material.
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on the topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_viris_illustribus
Though that refers to biographical collections, at some point the act
of illustrating them caught on as well.
Or of simply making or collecting portraits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovio_Series
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an article, but then
providing appendix-style sections at the end to add such material.
It's not easy, but can be done without splitting off to a separate
page.
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to identify those useful for further reading.
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And all editors should
remain open to both learning new things and teaching others.
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to if things get
stressful elsewhere.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM, MuZemike wrote:
> I don't think that is entirely reasonable thing to say or do, but, on
> the other hand, I wished that newcomers would be aware that creating new
> articles from scratch is not t
level]
Do you think the collections of blogs hosted by the WMF will survive
longer than various other blogs and blogging sites?
Or even the archives of the WMF mailing lists.
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sheer weight of material.
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someone with the time and motivation to see through a process that may
take months or years to come to a conclusion.
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icles, preferring to form
my own judgement over whether an article is reliable or not (i.e. why
should I trust the judgement of a random Wikipedian over whether the
article has problems, when all articles should be read with jaundiced
eye towards potential problems?).
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
> On 3 November 2011 11:10, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> safe and then move on". And then someone else, later, might fix the
>> article during general editing without even looking at the tag, and
>> not remove the t
bies to sue
> their own unsupported initiative.
Sue? Was that meant to be "use"? I agree, some backlogs are better
dealt with by more experienced editors. How can such slicing and
dicing be done? And if there were manageable chunks, I'd do bits as
well.
Carcharoth
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That's a good idea as well, though some might see it as trampling on
the stuff swept under the rug (making it less visible). But you are
right that some backlogs don't really need to be visible to readers.
Carcharoth
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, WereSpielChequers
wrote:
> For
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> On 11/03/11 5:31 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
>> On 3 November 2011 11:10, Carcharoth wrote:
>>
>>> safe and then move on". And then someone else, later, might fix the
>>> article during general editing withou
xample of over-zealous tagging?
I might try and tidy that article up if no-one else gets there first.
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, it is more interesting than it looks, and I might go back to
that one). My point being that unless people are very disciplined,
they will work best on what interests them, and I suspect large parts
of the older bits of the backlogs are obscure articles of borderline
notability that no-one can summon
from the non-transcluded areas of articles.
Preferably with the links from transclusions annotated with the name
of the transcluded item generating the link.
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On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Will Beback wrote:
> I agree entirely with Carcharoth, and have been having the same thoug
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
> On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that
>> are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links
>> that actually come f
ndably) meet
great resistance from those that have built and maintain such
templates (a natural reaction if people see months or years of work
being made less visible, being a click away rather than directly
visible).
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May be of interest:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15924466
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
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y) assumed it would be free. I can still access
this for free, but only by going there. I wonder if libraries around
the country will be able to access this for free and provide online
access for their members? Still doesn't help those outside the UK.
Carcharoth
Those with UK public library membership should be able to access the
ILN archives. At least the one I have through Westminster Libraries
recently added a link to the ILN archives.
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icles don't need to be perfect. As long
as they are reasonably good and reasonably accurate, it is the
subsidiary articles with the details that are more important, and
Wikipedia is better at producing those sort of articles anyway.
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Thought some here might be interested in this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16443825
It's about the history of managing knowledge and information.
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Wikipedia file if there is a file of the same name both here and on on
Commons.
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Thanks! All looks great now.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
> On 9 January 2012 17:55, Carcharoth wrote:
>> Is anyone able to deal with this image? (Or ask someone else or repost
>> this someone suitable?)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi
r future, if only because this strategy becomes less effective the
more it is used.
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o this that are still readable (even if not editable),
could someone list them here?
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nts to cross-post
this, or post before I do, please do.
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disablement to just article namespace (which is
what would be needed to allow other stuff to carry on as normal). I
don't think it would ever really happen.
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ipedia, where can you get your facts?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16601517
All BBC News, 18 January 2012.
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Also this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/17/wikipedia-blackout
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> http://savageminds.org/2012/01/19/wikipedia-encyclopedias/
Probably not the first and not the last. I don't find it that surprising.
What he says there is excellent, though. Well worth reading.
Ca
to the
process on Wikipedia or the process for the encyclopedia you are
writing for? In my view, that process you describe is how writing on
Wikipedia *should* work. Whether it does in practice or not is another
matter.
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one else gets there first,
but was wondering where very old merge proposals are listed. Is there
a tracking category somewhere that they are put in?
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hese templates will add tagged articles to Category:Articles to be
merged, while non-articles (files, templates, etc.) will be added to
Category:Items to be merged."
Doh! Thanks anyway.
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in general) should require published biographies during the person's
lifetime and/or obituaries after death. Would anyone on this mailing
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is what constitutes a 'published biography'?
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their website."
That was from User:DracoEssentialis (12:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)).
I'm also going to post what I proposed at that AfD, but I'll do that
in another thread.
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