Personally I see several challenges but also opportunities for WLM.
Technically this is a change to be managed. If it is managed in a
right manner, it could open a new season for WLM.
As I know the data of monuments are not homogeneous and this is a risk
for migrating data to a dedicated
But wherever you are in the tree of properties, from any item in the tree
you should be able to navigate up and down from Heritage objects of
Germany going from status type to substatus type. Is this spelled out
anywhere? All of the commons categories need to be associated with the
proper wikidata
Hi,
In Ukraine, we have two problems Wikidata is not able to deal so far:
1) Our monument IDs are the ones we invent ourselves. We have 4 types of
monuments times 27 regions (+1 nationwide list), some of these lists have
identifiers, some not. Identifiers are not unique even within the same
Oh yes, I definitely see advantages. I think the main thing is that if you
have decent lists, you can use properties to assign a status with an
identifier. If you don't then you should go ahead and create the item with
whatever criteria you are using for the handmade lists (former residence of
On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
So such wikipedia articles should be labelled instance of the name of
your identifier used in WLM.
I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use
a property P1435 (heritage status in English):
Hi all,
I guess everyoe knows by now that the erfgoedbot will no longer work.
Meanwhile, we should be migrating the entire infrastructure to Wikidata to
enable the next generation of tooling. So for example, if your country has
legislation regarding the protection of industrial monuments, then I
Jane Darnell, 26/07/2015 08:42:
Meanwhile, we should be migrating the entire infrastructure to Wikidata
to enable the next generation of tooling.
As is well known, Italy has no official list of cultural heritage items
and in general no functioning way to discover, document or use cultural
2015-07-26 18:28 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 26 July 2015 at 16:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
A way can be found, but there are multiple issues to solve:
1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
satisfy Wikidata
Well it is odd but true that when you have a name+label conflict you can
adjust the label (add a bit more info) or just forget the label! We have
lots and lots of items that are just Portrait of a man in some language
with blank label
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
On 26 July 2015 at 18:12, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:09:
More explicitely, can you give two items where you are have to have the
exact same label *and* description?
We don't have descriptions, so we're left only with label. Again, this can
No worries about Winckelman, you can use the perfectly decent German
Baedeker guides from before 1912 for Italy - most of the older visitor
attractions are in there. Basically as long as you can source the item to
any published list of note you're good to go.
Rome was not built in a day. Wikidata
I looked into http://wlm.wikimedia.it/w/images/9/94/San_Michele.pdf
Mio italiano non è molto bene...but I think it's an authorization about
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiesa_di_San_Michele_Arcangelo_%28Busto_Arsizio%29
2015-07-26 20:21 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 26 July 2015 at 17:41, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nico...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-07-26 18:28 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 26 July 2015 at 16:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
I see a lot of discussion about how to get the data into wikidata. That is good
and needs to be done, but erfgoedbot did a lot more.
Beside the harvesting (getting the list into the database), there were scripts
using the data. At least for the dutch competition, people who uploaded a
Many portrait painters have created portraits that are unattributed. So
name= Portrait of a man and label= painting by Frans Hals is perfectly
valid to have multiple times. In WLM terms, any large municipality is bound
to have names like House multiple times per street and so on
On Sun, Jul 26,
The official policy is get started and see where your ship strands (to
use a Dutch term)
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:09:
More explicitely, can you give two items where you are have to have the
exact same
On 26 July 2015 at 16:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
A way can be found, but there are multiple issues to solve:
1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
satisfy Wikidata requirements on label/description uniqueness,
Wikidata does not require
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 18:41:
Label are indeed unique but you can add as many alias as you want (see
french label on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3533061 ). You just need
to choose a primary one, is it a problem ?
Yes it is a potential problem, think of name/label Municipio or
Duomo.
2015-07-26 21:34 GMT+02:00 Andre Koopal an...@molens.org:
The database it not down, and will be there until somebody does cleanup.
The database is not down no but it's going to be.
As erfgoedbot isn't running anymore, all the changes on the wikipédias are
not harvested into the database
A similar problem exists for large parts of Germany (mostly former East
Germany municipalities). The answer is simple. Think of these objects as
members of a collection owned by living history municipal museums. So the
city hall is the list owner and you go back in time to the latest usable
list
Jane Darnell, 26/07/2015 13:36:
Think of these objects as members of a collection owned by living
history municipal museums. So the city hall is the list owner and you
go back in time to the latest usable list
A way can be found, but there are multiple issues to solve:
1) the name of the
Andy Mabbett, 26/07/2015 18:28:
1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
satisfy Wikidata requirements on label/description uniqueness,
Wikidata does not require unique names.
If so, please fix the docs. Uniqueness for a combination of a label and
a description
2015-07-26 18:52 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 18:41:
Label are indeed unique but you can add as many alias as you want (see
french label on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3533061 ). You just need
to choose a primary one, is it a problem ?
2015-07-26 19:12 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:09:
More explicitely, can you give two items where you are have to have the
exact same label *and* description?
We don't have descriptions, so we're left only with label.
Oh, ok...
But how
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:00:
I'm a bit lost, are you not making a confusion about the meaning of «
Unique » in English?
I'm certain I'm not, but maybe the author of the glossary did (it was
written by a German IIRC).
Nemo
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Wiki Loves
(Answering to two simultaneous emails immediately, sorry if someone is
confused).
Ok, those are great ideas but they are not quite feasible for 70,000 items.
1) Our IDs. It is not quite easy to publish somewhere in a reliable source a
database of 70,000 items. Especially given that this is
On 26 July 2015 at 17:41, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-07-26 18:28 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 26 July 2015 at 16:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
A way can be found, but there are multiple issues to solve:
1) the name
2015-07-26 21:04 GMT+02:00 Andre Koopal an...@molens.org:
Hi,
I see a lot of discussion about how to get the data into wikidata. That is
good and needs to be done, but erfgoedbot did a lot more.
Beside the harvesting (getting the list into the database), there were
scripts using the data.
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:28:
I looked into http://wlm.wikimedia.it/w/images/9/94/San_Michele.pdf
Mio italiano non è molto bene...but I think it's an authorization about
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiesa_di_San_Michele_Arcangelo_%28Busto_Arsizio%29
But the point is all info needs to
On 26 July 2015 at 12:39, Mykola Kozlenko mycol...@ukr.net wrote:
1) Our monument IDs are the ones we invent ourselves. We have 4 types of
monuments times 27 regions (+1 nationwide list), some of these lists have
identifiers, some not. Identifiers are not unique even within the same
list,
2015-07-26 13:39 GMT+02:00 Mykola Kozlenko mycol...@ukr.net:
Hi,
In Ukraine, we have two problems Wikidata is not able to deal so far:
1) Our monument IDs are the ones we invent ourselves. We have 4 types of
monuments times 27 regions (+1 nationwide list), some of these lists have
2015-07-26 18:38 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Andy Mabbett, 26/07/2015 18:28:
1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
satisfy Wikidata requirements on label/description uniqueness,
Wikidata does not require unique names.
If so, please
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 18:44:
Did you have an example?
See an example list http://wlm.wikimedia.it/w/images/9/94/San_Michele.pdf
I find it hard to believe, can't you at least you can say where it is
(at the minimum the country and idealy the city, the coordinates, etc.).
Coordinates
2015-07-26 19:03 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/07/2015 19:00:
I'm a bit lost, are you not making a confusion about the meaning of «
Unique » in English?
I'm certain I'm not, but maybe the author of the glossary did (it was
written by a German
2015-07-26 19:05 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
Well it is odd but true that when you have a name+label conflict you can
adjust the label (add a bit more info) or just forget the label! We have
lots and lots of items that are just Portrait of a man in some language
with blank label
On 26 July 2015 at 17:38, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Andy Mabbett, 26/07/2015 18:28:
1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
satisfy Wikidata requirements on label/description uniqueness,
Wikidata does not require unique names.
If so,
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