Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Ivo Kruusamägi
In Estonia, I think we have always published the names of jury members (or in some cases, their wiki names) in all of the article and image competitions we've had over the last 10+ years. At least any exceptions don't come to my mind. So I don't see a problem with the expectation that jury members

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread attolippip
Last year we did publish an overview of how the evaluation/selection process was organised (in Ukrainian): http://wlm.org.ua/top123_2019/ while introducing top 123 pictures of the last round (as it was published before announcing our top 10). I think it also helped to engage people on social media,

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Wilfredo Rodríguez
Dear effe, I consider that Paulo's point is very important to be remembered. A poor quality jury results in the best images not being selected. I remember that at a WLM event, the organizer came up with the wonderful idea of using Facebook likes to choose the best photos. The result was that the

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Mykola, I would encourage WLX Jury Tool to follow suit and provide a similar option to give easy openness to its users. There is no obligation to use either or any tool. This overview is just a convenient way to make it easier for organizers to be transparent. Lodewijk On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 a

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Sure. The point is already made, anyway. effe iets anders escreveu no dia sábado, 3/10/2020 à(s) 17:53: > Hi all, > > while I appreciate the efforts of providing examples, I don't think we > need to dig deep into negative claims about previous competitions. This > risks going to the level of gos

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread effe iets anders
Hi all, while I appreciate the efforts of providing examples, I don't think we need to dig deep into negative claims about previous competitions. This risks going to the level of gossip-speculation (you're explaining your own interpretation of what happened) and potentially harms individuals who a

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Mykola Kozlenko
Hi Lodewijk, As we intend to use WLX Jury Tool and not Montage in Ukraine, what is expected from us? We always publish the list of our jury members here: http://wlm.org.ua/juri/ , you can see all our jury members between 2012 and 2019. The 2020 list is still being finalised as we are still wait

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Well, the story he told WMF, who believed it hook, line and sinker, was that in the country it was very difficult to find professional photographers to be part of the jury (it always is, everywhere, I believe :P ) and that it would make a great difference there, giving more credibility to the conte

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Well, sounds like a horror story. I would personally never agree to get monetary reimbursement for participating in a WLM or a WLE jury. Best regards Yaroslav On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 6:19 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > Hey Yaroslav, > > It is (was) quite easy, actually. Referring to the specif

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Yaroslav, It is (was) quite easy, actually. Referring to the specific case I mentioned: - The organizer (who was an ex-WMF staff and member of the international WLE team) was being paid by WMF to locally organize WL contests; - The organizer was not transparent about this towards th

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi Paulo, I have difficulties parsing your post. For Russia, after we had serious issues with Wikimedia.ru (who, for example, at some point wanted to interfere with the decisions of the jury) we converged to symbolic prizes which we essentially buy out of our own pocket and send them using our own

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Forgot to say, but I'm one of the organizers of WLM for WM Portugal. As for corruption, I must say back in 2016 or around it I was contacted offwiki on Facebook by a WLE/WLM organizer, enticing me to organize WL in Portugal, and teaching how to milk the cow. That's how bad the situation was. I'm g

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for feedback: transparency jury & process

2020-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, In WLM since 2019 we are totally transparent about the jury members that help on montage, and usually thank them for their precious help at our blog post about the competition. Since last year, we have been exchanging jurors with Tuscany and Wiki Classics, and had a lot of help from Brazil.