Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 03:11:03 +, Andreas Kolbe wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Risker wrote: The lack of flagged revisions is a key contributor to this state of affairs. The English Wikipedia is ridiculously vulnerable to vandalism. Is it surprising that that vulnerability attracts l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Risker wrote: > We have been, to some extent, the victims of our own success. We grew > exponentially and not organically, and given the roots of our community, > the usual group structural forms were eschewed. There was also practically > no money for anything fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Jan 5, 2013 7:51 PM, "David Gerard" wrote: > Anyone in IT knows that there's such a thing as "charity scale", where > you get paid less because you're working for a nonprofit in exchange > for less stress and/or doing actual good in the world.` "Less stress"? Wikipedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 January 2013 19:32, ENWP Pine wrote: > Also, I will stand up and say that I, for one, am not a fan of WMF trying to > match market pay in the SF area. I am interested WMF in retaining qualified > and motivated employees, and I am interested in employee job satisfaction > which includes pay a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread ENWP Pine
James, I'm a little confounded as to why you're still looking to Glassdoor as your primary source of information on employee satisfaction after Gayle indicated that she has much more comprehensive data on this subject from the employee survey. Also, I will stand up and say that I, for one, am no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2013-01-05 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
I had never seen those pages, and also could not edit, seems too complex for me :P, but CBrown already did, thanks. On 5 January 2013 10:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton, 05/01/2013 10:41: > > Thank you, >> >> The importation almost over, just missing the namespace Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Argentina Monthly Report, December 2012

2013-01-05 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 05/01/2013 05:03, Osmar Valdebenito a écrit : > == «Wikipedia in the classroom» in Guarani language == > > On mid-December, Wikimedia Argentina published the first edition of its > booklet “Wikipedia in the classroom” in an indigenous language, like > Guarani. “Vikipetã mbo’eha kotýpe” is also

[Wikimedia-l] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, See the chapter reports from the Netherlands (November and December 2012) here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland#Wikimedia_Nederland Kind regards, and the best wishes for 2013, Ziko -- -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread Thomas Morton
If you know nothing about surveys or statistics it is probably a good idea not to describe a properly calculated metric (yes, I sat down and did the math) as absurd, and then claim efficacy of your own informal survey. Just sayin. Incidentally I am not sure your point about the glassdoor reviews

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread James Salsman
Again, I am not suggesting canceling anyone's health insurance or replacing it with increased salary. I am only trying to say that in the case of when a parent or sibling faces catastrophic medical expenses in the U.S., just over two years of the difference between typical junior software engineer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 5, 2013 1:03 AM, "George Herbert" wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Martijn Hoekstra > wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2013 12:51 AM, "George Herbert" wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >> > On 4 January 2013 17:56, Mark wrote: > >> > > >> >> 1a. Do *n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:56:52 -0600, Mark wrote: On 1/4/13 9:57 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:41:06 +0100, Nikola Smolenski wrote: I guess I could write much more. But at the end, I have no solution. I could imagine some partial solutions for some of the problems, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2013-01-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton, 05/01/2013 10:41: Thank you, The importation almost over, just missing the namespace Wikivoyage, now we have to start cleaning, and... when this page http://www.wikivoyage.org/ will be updated? Edit it yourself at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikivoyage.org_tem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In my country health care insurance is compulsory. If anything this means that everyone can see a doctor and believe it or not, investment in health care is beneficial to the wealth of a nation. I am appalled that people consider health care something that is best left to the individual. It m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Aaron Halfaker, 04/01/2013 23:57: Forgive me, but: 1) we already know that users who joined in 2005/2006 are still disproportionately active in most community processes like deletion discussions and so on, How disproportionately active *are* the 2005/2006ers and is the problem solving itself

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread Thomas Morton
On Saturday, January 5, 2013, James Salsman wrote: > Michael Snow wrote: > > > >... You think that having people mortgage their future and simply > > giving them more cash, which they don't ultimately enjoy other > > than to pay loans at distressed interest rates, is a greater benefit > > to them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2013-01-05 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Thank you, The importation almost over, just missing the namespace Wikivoyage, now we have to start cleaning, and... when this page http://www.wikivoyage.org/ will be updated? Do not think this wiki needs sysop could stay only with Stewards? On 5 January 2013 05:31, Stefan Fussan wrote: > A