[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 10, Issue 48 -- 10 December 2014

2014-12-12 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: It's GLAM up North! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-12-10/Op-ed In the media: Wikipedia is "a rancorous, sexist, elitist, stupidly bureaucratic mess" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-12-10/In_the_media Traffic report: Dead Black

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons

2014-12-12 Thread svetlana
MZMcBride wrote: > geni wrote: > >2)Large number of semi automated deletion notices. This is going to happen > >whatever you do unless you ban all uploads from people who aren't > >qualified intellectual property lawyers. Eh just look at your average > >en.wikipedia talk page for a semi active edit

[Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons

2014-12-12 Thread MZMcBride
I felt kind of meh about the previous thread, so I'm forking it. geni wrote: >2)Large number of semi automated deletion notices. This is going to happen >whatever you do unless you ban all uploads from people who aren't >qualified intellectual property lawyers. Eh just look at your average >en.wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Strainu
2014-12-12 16:40 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt : > From: Craig Franklin > >> Am I the only one that sees the irony in asking folks not to pick on the >> Commons community, then immediately asserting that enwp is the source of >> all drama? > > > Not just that, but also... Am I the only one that sees the ir

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tim Davenport wrote: > > > Compare and contrast to the goal of illustrating an encyclopedia with the > best images available, making use of American fair use law to which such > illustrations are legally entitled. > > Tim Davenport > "Carrite" on WP > Corvallis, O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread geni
On 12 December 2014 at 17:34, Tim Davenport wrote: > > Compare and contrast to the goal of illustrating an encyclopedia with the > best images available, Why would we settle for that? The reality is that many of the available images are only so-so. WP:FPC shows we can better them (although if pe

[Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Tim Davenport
>>I'd take the pragmatic justification for being copyright-sticklers on Commons to be: so we can provide a free-media repository that our reusers can use, even commercially and world-wide, in the reasonably secure belief that their reuse is legal, because this is truly freely licensed media. Compa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi luis, I could understand liams mail, and the links russavia sent. Could you match the this somehow from a legal standpoint? Rupert On Dec 11, 2014 5:55 PM, "Luis Villa" wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Russavia > wrote: > > > Steven, > > > > Quite seriously, if you can't understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Ha! Thanks Liam, let me be the first to admit that I'm guilty as charged! I would have used the clip of Paul Newman from Cool Hand Luke on communication, but maybe that just shows my age. I have one comment on your comment about Wikidata metadata handling. Yes this is currently done locally on Comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 12 December 2014 at 10:59, Pipo Le Clown wrote: > Vous savez quoi? Allez tous vous faire foutre. Just because you're writing in your native language of French doesn't mean that civility is optional - just as it should not be for native speakers of English. As *The Matrix *films identified

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread geni
On 12 December 2014 at 13:04, David Gerard wrote: > > > Commons was raising quasi-legal objections that literally nobody else > considered a plausible threat model. It's your fault as long as you > continue to defend it. > > In fairness a simple statement from the Israeli government is all that is

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2014-12-12 Thread ANNOUNCEMENT
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2014 at 12:47, Fæ wrote: > So, I'm genuinely afraid to say it was more of an emotive response. > The extensive criticism of Commons administrators made was not well > founded. That images had to be removed and that there were > consequences was an issue that should have been better

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread
2014-12-12 12:37 GMT+00:00 David Gerard : ... > sensible repository to work with. The inanity with Israeli > parliamentary works was the key point in a talk on the subject at > Wikimania. I was in the front front row at that Wikimania presentation, and happen to be good friends with the presenter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2014 at 09:59, Pipo Le Clown wrote: > Si pour une fois, au lieu de pleurer parce que machin a été méchant en > proposant votre image à la suppression, vous proposiez des choses > constructives, des améliorations possibles du logiciel par exemple, ou une > façon de reconnaître le tr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread
On 12 December 2014 at 11:29, Strainu wrote: ... >> I commented in two chocolate 'packaging' related deletion requests >> today, before this thread started, my opinion being to keep. Why don't >> you join me in keeping these images in time for Christmas by making >> positive comments and interpret

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Strainu
2014-12-11 20:14 GMT+02:00 Fæ : > Making defamatory comments about Commons volunteers on this list is > not terribly productive, nor a very nice thing to do when anyone is > free to express their point of view in the deletion request so that a > closing admin can consider all rationales put forward

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Gerard, Thanks for adding all of those statements to Wikidata! Thanks to you, I have been able to match up thousands of artists in Mix-n-Match! Like you, I am not afraid of a 1%-3% error margin, especially when tools like Mix-n-Match mean we can uncover such mistakes quickly and efficiently. Mix-n-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Carlos M. Colina
Absolutely not the only one!   Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Craig Franklin Date: 12/12/2014 11:44 (GMT+02:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism Am I the only one that sees the irony in asking folks not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Pipo Le Clown
Vous savez quoi? Allez tous vous faire foutre. C'est facile de se moquer dans sa langue maternelle, de jouer sur les mots et d'entourer ses insultes d'un joli emballage. Ça n'est pas vraiment ma manière d'être, alors dans une langue étrangère... C'est facile de venir taper sur Commons sur cette l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Craig Franklin
Am I the only one that sees the irony in asking folks not to pick on the Commons community, then immediately asserting that enwp is the source of all drama? Cheers, Craig Franklin On 12/12/2014 4:56 PM, "Pipo Le Clown" wrote: > As you said, the first issue of Commons is "demotivating contributor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Andre Engels
And where do you see what you are writing here? If you really consider it bullying to say outside Commons that you think something is wrong with Commons, then the situation is much worse than I thought it would be. Your analogy is severely flawed in many places, and only functions to enrage those w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When specific categories of data do not make it in Wikidata like the "impact factor", it is not a problem. As much can be understood from my blogpost. I may miss certain items as not being human. That is the exceptionto the rule. In the past weeks I have added tens of thousands of statements.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers

2014-12-12 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 29/11/2014 20:09, Carlos M. Colina ha scritto: Dear all, Recently the Affiliations Commitee, in order to improve its governance and in its need for improvement and organizational advise, voted in favor of appointing Delphine Ménard [1], Lodewijk Gelauff [2] and Bence Damokos [3] as non-vot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread Pipo Le Clown
- You must change. - Ok, let's discuss this together. Explain what you think is wrong, and how we can fix it. - No, you must change first. Commons can change. Policies can evolve. But staying outside the circle and throwing mud at those inside will not help them to open and accept you at a friend.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > This problem is not new. It is not as if the Commons community is not aware > of this perception. The perception that there might be a situation where > someone is sued is not necessary shared by lawyers. They have to make a > living