Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside > world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are > already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality, though some have different, even diametrically opposed views as to what quality means and which things are cosmetic or crucial. My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Folks, regardless of which views we hold, we're all on the same side - can we try and be a little less acerbic please - it is Friday after all! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil Sinclair wrote: >Thanks for bringing me up, MZMcBride; should get a lot more people to look >at those IRC logs I was hoping to bring to everyone's attention. I'm looking forward to your posts about the current and upcoming Wikimedia Foundation strategic plans. That's why you came on IRC,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Gerard, Who were you expecting would respond from the Wikipedias? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Friday, 20 November 2015 9:18 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Research into Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Please drop this thread / subject. Concentrate on issues not people. Regards, Richard. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

Hi all, We are just a few weeks away from the launch of the December English fundraiser. The end of the year is the most critical time of the year for Wikimedia’s fundraising: The goal this year is $25 million. The campaign will launch in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Hoi, The difference between the use of quality images from Commons and establishing what is correct is quite distinct. With Commons it is an esthetic difference, with these lists it is about the credibility of the data involved. Thanks, GerardM On 20 November 2015 at 09:53, Jane Darnell

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Gerard, I think this was always the case. Most Wikidatans are as at home on Wikipedia as they are on Commons. The issue you describe also happened to Commons - both communities feel the other is less focussed on quality. Many Commonists spend hours on high quality images and these are rarely

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Hoi, quality is different things I do care about quality but I do not necessarily agree with you how to best achieve it. Arguably bots are better and getting data into Wikidata than people. This means that the error rate of bots is typically better than what people do. It is all in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Hoi, So far such lists have been produced for bigger Wikipedias but essentially it is potentially an issue for any and all Wikis that have data that may exist on Wikidata or linked through Wikidata on external sources. Thanks, GerardM On 20 November 2015 at 12:33, Peter Southwood

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

Hoi, I have been working on Wikidata for almost two years on recent deaths. It is one easy and obvious thing to signal recent deaths to all the WIkipedias that have articles.It is quite similar to what you describe. It is dead easy to produce such lists, not only for recent deaths but also for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > ... > *When 100% is compared with another source and 85% is the same,**you only > have to check 15% and decide what is righ**t* ​this very statement highlights one issue that ​ ​will always be a problem between Wikidata and Wikipedias. Wikipedia, at least in my 10 years of experience on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Offtopic: Gerard, during the last half an hour or so, I am just getting emails from you inside of this thread (including wiki-research list). I thought my phone has a bug. It's useful to write a larger email with addressing all the issues. Besides other things, with this frequency, you'll spend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

opened firefox this morning, now maybe its because the coffee kicked in earlier today I noticed this for the first time, it reads very much like what I've seen in previous years on Wikipedia banners, I think the fundraising team should be aware of this because it may be a cause behind the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

How are you notifying the Wikipedias/Wikipedians? Do you leave a message on the talk page of the relevant article? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2015 12:23 AM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

Are these new improved banners available for inspection and comment? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Megan Hernandez Sent: Friday, 20 November 2015 10:07 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

Indeed, the things that make a Wikipedia article high quality (such as well written and engaging prose) are not necessarily the same things that are useful for a data-driven product like Wikidata. When Wikidata offers assistance to another project, and that assistance is not received

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

It is hard to tell what thread you refer to when the thread is gone. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ames Sent: Friday, 20 November 2015 9:51 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Hoi, That is indeed a problem. So far it has been lists, often well formatted lists that do not have a workflow, are not updated regularly. I have added these issues as a wishlist item to work on. [1] You have to appreciate that when a list of problematic issues is listed with over 100 items, it