[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
True Samuel. We can actually edit [Wikipedia] from our mobile phones. We can't use the visual editor. I tried to say it later with the sentence "Desktop computers are disappearing. We still can't edit in a good way with our mobile phones." but it's true the first time I mentionen this it was not

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Luis writes: > For what it is worth, I think the current mobile app is pretty good and I regularly finding pleasant surprises Yea, the mobile app is sweet, editing and all. Responding to two specific earlier comments: 1. *Galder* - "It is 2021 and we still can't edit by mobile phone." --> Safe

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Guettarda
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 6:04 PM Mike Peel wrote: > Cool. How do we find those pages from the advertised tools? Were they > shared here before (sorry if I missed them), or can we still vote on > them somewhere? > > The underlying problem is that we ended up with 70+ candidates for the MCDC. We wer

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Andrew Lih
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 5:44 PM Mike Peel wrote: > Both of these seem like a fantastic way to support your intrinsic biases. > That's a pretty grim way of looking at things. I could find a bigger problem with the fact that the main page has images of the candidates, of varying quality, aspect ra

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Luis Villa
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 3:34 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 08:47, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> I don't know if this already has a name, but I'm going to invent one: The >> Great Circle of Excuse. It works like this: we have

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Mike Peel
Cool. How do we find those pages from the advertised tools? Were they shared here before (sorry if I missed them), or can we still vote on them somewhere? Or would it be fairer now to the candidates to let their statements stand alone and for people to vote based on those alone, rather than t

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Guettarda
Hi Mike The questions were selected from this list: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Election_Compass/Statements People voted and the top ones were chosen. (A few near-duplicates that ranked at the top were combined by Cornelius, iirc). The raw data underlying b

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees new resolution on branding

2021-10-15 Thread Zack McCune
Hello Tito - "Supporting flexible naming for all affiliates, including the use of taglines" means two things. First, affiliates can continue using the names they choose. Second, new work will be undertaken to develop short phrases ("taglines") that affiliates can use optionally to show connectio

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Mike Peel
Both of these seem like a fantastic way to support your intrinsic biases. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates/Table - this supports your language or editor start date bias. Since you are limited to ordering by name/username/region/languages/wiki/editor

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikidata] Re: Re: Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-15 Thread Leila Zia
Hi Bodhisattwa, See below. On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:41 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote: > > Also, is there any way to add info on existing tools? I learned from Bryan yesterday that this is possible via toolsadmin (Bryan helped with one of our tools yesterday via https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/t

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Mario Gómez
Thank you for the Election Compass! While the quantitative ranking was not very useful for me, these clear statements and concise answers by all candidates helped me a lot in the decision, and also the Election Compass tool was quite decent to explore them. The process of wider community input to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-15 Thread Andrew Lih
To echo Risker, I'd encourage the use of more advanced tools by voters. On meta, I've pointed to the two tools that hopefully help: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Tools_for_examining_candidates The links point to: - A table of all the factual in

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikidata] Re: Re: Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-15 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi Birgit *et al*, Thank you all very much for the hub. It's nice to get the tools in one place in a collaborative interface. While adding tools into the hub, it would be great if there remains an option to add the contributors of the tool in addition to the primary developer. Also, is there any

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Nathan
I can say that this thread inspired me to turn off the "legacy" button for Vector and see what's new. I thought that was bad, but Vito uses monobook! Two things to acknowledge: * We've heard many times over the years that the technical teams see their primary customer as the readers. Good or bad,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the Conversation with Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees on October 20

2021-10-15 Thread Mike Peel
Obrigado! On 15/10/21 20:56:28, Elena Lappen wrote: Hi Mike, Yes, of course! The meeting will be available on Commons and YouTube after the event. We will also be posting translated notes. Best, Elena -- Elena Lappen (she/her) Senior Movement Communications Specialist Wikimedia Foundation

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the Conversation with Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees on October 20

2021-10-15 Thread Elena Lappen
Hi Mike, Yes, of course! The meeting will be available on Commons and YouTube after the event. We will also be posting translated notes. Best, Elena -- Elena Lappen (she/her) Senior Movement Communications Specialist Wikimedia Foundation > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Mike Peel wrote: >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the Conversation with Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees on October 20

2021-10-15 Thread Mike Peel
Hi Elena, I can't attend this live, since it is happening during the working day in Europe. Please could you commit to sharing a recording (and multilingual audio) on the Wikimedia Foundation's multimedia repository - Commons - after the event? Thanks, Mike On 15/10/21 20:35:03, Elena Lap

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the Conversation with Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees on October 20

2021-10-15 Thread Elena Lappen
Hi everyone! This Conversation with the Foundation Board of Trustees is coming up next week on October 20, 2021 at 11:00 UTC [1]. Based on requests we received, we have coordinated Spanish interpretation for this conversation. If you would like to hear the call in Spanish, you will need to j

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Vito and Samuel for your words, As a leader of an Education Program, I talk every day to students, people who was born after Wikipedia and have assumed during all their life that Wikipedia exists. They are digital natives, but, for the good or for the bad, they are used to having everythi

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Vi to
Regular contributors experience is quite different from less frequent contributors and (above all) readers. People into user interfaces design surely have a proper word for this, but we're used to a variety of small tricks/habits which are somehow expensive to change. For example, since OOUI's dev

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-15 Thread Anupam Dutta
Is the tool superb ?? There is no knowing, because unless one knows the name of the software, one cannot locate it. So, immediately version 1.1 is needed where we can search by Category... Otherwise, it is useless. Anupamdutta73 On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 03:06 Samuel Klein wrote: > This is p

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Galder for the provocative thread and Jonathan for your reflections (in this thread and in issues elsewhere, past and present). Galder -- I'm thinking about how to refactor your observations to make them less personal, more general, easier to work with. This issue and these patterns are not

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all, A good example around this subject was the Visual Editor tool implementation, strongly opposed by the community in the beginning, and developed by the WMF, as it was probably necessary to turn Wikipedia into a more modern website. A lot about the latter can be found and read as a real exa

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board September/October meeting outcomes

2021-10-15 Thread Nataliia Tymkiv
Dear all, The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] has concluded its meetings for this quarter and I would like to provide you with an overview of the outcomes of its September/October one [2]. All resolutions and other resources are linked at the end of this message. Other relevant pages on

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-15 Thread Birgit Müller
Thanks Galder :-) - answers are below: On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:38 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Brigit, for this hub, it is great to have it! I have tried and > can't find any way to look for tools that are not nominated as "Coolest > Tool Award" besides

[Wikimedia-l] Reminder - UCoC conversation hour is happening right now

2021-10-15 Thread Youngjin Ko
Hello there, This is a reminder that UCoC conversation hour will be happening right now, to collect the last minute feedback about Enforcement Draft Guideline We are online until 15:30 UTC. Meeting link: https://meet.google.com/yxd-eaza-gpf Feel free to drop by Thanks, -- *Youngjin Ko *(he/him)

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
No, I don't have all the answers. Is just that every time someone says: "hey! this is broken!" and receives an excuse and then says again "HEY! THIS IS BROKEN!" the answer is not: "ok, we'll try to figure out how to solve it" but: "don't use caps". I'm a volunteer. I have spent lots of time tryi

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Dan for using the Excuse 6: *At this point in the circle, there is > some volunteer who wants to fix this and raises the tone of the request. > Then we find the mother of all excuses, the wild card: yo

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Dan for using the Excuse 6: At this point in the circle, there is some volunteer who wants to fix this and raises the tone of the request. Then we find the mother of all excuses, the wild card: you are being rude and do not assume good faith. Excuse 6. Fro

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 08:47, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > I don't know if this already has a name, but I'm going to invent one: The > Great Circle of Excuse. It works like this: we have all realized that > something needs to be improved, let's say the de

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all, I don't know if this already has a name, but I'm going to invent one: The Great Circle of Excuse. It works like this: we have all realized that something needs to be improved, let's say the design of our website. Then, WMF gets a group of workers to think about it, and they come up wit