Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising First, thanks to all of those who worked in good faith, with patience and care for each other to solve this problem. I appreciate the level of compromise

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.wikimedia.org [mailto: > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > > Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 1:45 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in > > Italy largely blocked by WMF

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r-w...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Romaine for setting up the RFC on meta [1]! > > > > > > So we can see what the community thinks about this. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_ban

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 8:43 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Yes, I think it is the case that Fundraising and other

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oun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 8:43 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in > Italy largely blocked by WMF f

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gt; > -Original Message- > > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > > Sent: Thursday, 03 September 2015 10:51 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

edia.org [mailto: > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 1:45 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in > Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising > > I guess I'm not clear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: Thursday, 03 September 2015 10:51 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising I just want to respond to this point in particular: "Postp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

015 10:51 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in > Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising > > I just want to respond to this point in particular: > > "Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I just want to respond to this point in particular: "Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be meeting a target. The team will pick up extra work in October to make up for work missed in September. It's not possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Craig Franklin wrote: > It has been my experience that site banners are the best way to reach > casual readers who are not already integrated into the projects and > existing communication channels. This is why the Fundraising team run

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Mailing List; Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Cc: Wikimedia Chapters general discussions Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hello everybody. I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

g 2015 19:04:41 +0200 > > > From: romaine.w...@gmail.com > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; > > wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves > > > Monuments > > in Italy lar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

It would be interesting to contact DPReview and Flickr to ask if they'd agree to promote this campaign. Pine On Aug 31, 2015 12:36 AM, "Gergo Tisza" wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Craig Franklin > > wrote: > > > It has been my

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s. > > > > > > [1] > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200 > > > > From: romaine.w...@gmail.com > > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Congratulations on reaching agreement - to all parties concerned. I understand that is has not been easy, so well done! Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 www.wikimedia.nl *Postadres*:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Cheers, > > P > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Zanni > > Sent: Sunday, 30 August 2015 10:21 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Unless "just" meant something like "five hours" ago, Andrea at least only > seems to have learned of this agreement *after* the RfC launched. > Yes, it was meant as "a few hours ago". I received the mail from Lisa's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

< > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Romaine for setting up the RFC on meta [1]! > > > > > > So we can see what the community thinks about this. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

...@alk.edu.pl; denny.vrande...@kit.edu; jwa...@wikia.com; s...@wikimedia.org CC: wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising dear board, allow me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Note also that there is an on-going discussion with the WMF Board on fundraising ethics here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Discussion_of_fundraising_ethics Every year, readers are told that money is required to keep Wikipedia online and ad-free another

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200 From: romaine.w...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to ask the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Please let us not mingle two very separate and delicate discussions: 1) Whether we should do the extra effort of fundraising at all (this is what Andreas was arguing about, it seems) 2) If we decide to fundraise, how to involve the community and affiliates in a timely, orderly and effective

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I think both of these issues are about community involvement, Lodewijk, or rather the lack of it. The community is simply being stonewalled, on both issues. And to be clear, I am absolutely in favour of fundraising. I just want it done transparently, so donors understand clearly that their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

...@wikia.com; s...@wikimedia.org CC: wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising dear board, allow me to directly ask you to stop these fundraising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

...@gmail.com; jmh...@gmail.com; dar...@alk.edu.pl; denny.vrande...@kit.edu; jwa...@wikia.com; s...@wikimedia.org CC: wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to ask the Wikimedia community what they think about this situation. I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody. I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to run the Fundraising banner in Italy during September. In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to ask the Wikimedia community what they think about this situation. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

From: romaine.w...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having spoken with some people, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200 From: romaine.w...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having spoken

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200 From: romaine.w...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Hi all, Having

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

dear board, allow me to directly ask you to stop these fundraising persons to spoil wiki loves monuments because of less than intelligent KPIs. WMF cannot and should not behave like an elephant in the porcelain shop. there is a simple technical solution to the problem below, to have a combined

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hello everyone. Sorry for the long mail but we wanted to explain the situation for Wikimedia Italia. The conversation is going on and it's better to clear some important points. In the second week of August Wikimedia Italia has been contacted by Kalliope Tsouroupidou and later by Jessica Robell,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Il giorno lun, 24/08/2015 alle 13.08 +0200, Jane Darnell ha scritto: What I meant to say is that though the impact of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian situation is so complicated that I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi Jane, Yes, Italy is one of those odd countries without freedom of panorama. The copyright on photos of monuments is held by local governments. Wikimedia Italy has as large task to get permission from these hundreds/thousands local administrations for the photos uploaded. Therefore organising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I think you misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that though the impact of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian situation is so complicated that I don't think their proportion of casual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi Romaine, And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian WLM team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the Wikimedia Foundation. Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly not a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are crushed under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according to the dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In this case,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I am not sure how the Italian WLM works, but I believe they do still attract newbies to the competition. I am not sure about their proportion of casual uploaders/experienced uploaders but we haven't seen figures either way there. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi Jane, The situation is more complicated for the organisers, yes. But for participants in the contest it is not complicated. The Italian WLM team has organised it in such way it is easy to participate. Greetings, Romaine 2015-08-24 13:08 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: I think you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Not sure how to measure this, but it would be interesting for our stats if we COULD measure this. I define a casual uploader as someone who comes to the upload wizard through the WLM easy upload link from a Wikipedia page rather than some other way. On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Richard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On 21 August 2015 at 21:42, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The process was stopped because it was costing more money to raise funds that way, and as a movement it's very, very difficult to justify the international level of fundraising in a way that results in much higher costs. I doubt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

a pleasure to do stuff together with them! Really. Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:59:46 +0200 From: romaine.w...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising I think you describe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hello Luis, Organising Wiki Loves Monuments is a hard job. For the world wide Wikimedia community Wiki Loves Monuments is the largest and important project. Everywhere around the world cultural heritage can be found, and the community organises Wiki Loves Monuments to have content created in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi, Romaine- [tl;dr: Fundraising has a hard job. The Board has asked them to raise a lot of money, and fall in Europe is very important to doing that efficiently. We have tried to reach a compromise, but no compromise is perfect. In the long run, we would like to work together to try to figure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have arisen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I know the Italian Chapter, the online fundraising team, and community liaisons have been talking about solutions for a while and I won’t get in the way of that, but I thought I would offer a few ideas on some of the online organizing tactics being discussed here. This probably falls in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Il giorno gio, 20/08/2015 alle 01.26 -0400, Risker ha scritto: [...] perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. This might be a way to mitigate the problem, although I'm not sure whether it's technically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Given the huge amount of work, the liability and legislative issues and problems with transferring funds across international borders, I'm not persuaded; having dozens of paid fundraising teams is not cost-effective by any stretch of the imagination. The process was stopped because it was costing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On 20 August 2015 at 06:26, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I think you describe the essence of the problem: there is a big gap between the community and the Wikimedia Foundation. I have a long list of problems from the past years that all seem to originate in this basic problem. The Wikimedia Foundation is too much de-attached from the community. At the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

If the fundraising banner was planned in November to be shown in Italy, the problem would have been the same. Only the time could have a positive impact. Also then something has been missed: Wiki Loves Monuments is a sticky project in September, already for years, as it is attached to a world

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Would it be possible for the WLM banner to show on the Main Page only during 8-22 September, with the fundraising banner on every other page? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

This is not the first time this conflict appears, but this is the worst outcome ever so far. In all the years I have been asking for an explanation why it is not possible to move it, or why it is urgently to do it in September, nothing reasonable has been provided for that. Nothing in all those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Why wmf needs to put a fundraising banner every year on wp. Isn't there enough money in Frisco? Just wondering :) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:48:02 +1000 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so urgently needs to request Italian donations in September. Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

There's a more general problem here we should fix: We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off dramatically after the first few views. So there's rarely a reason to run a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to run. We should improve the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

It has been my experience that site banners are the best way to reach casual readers who are not already integrated into the projects and existing communication channels. This is why the Fundraising team run banners, rather than begging for money through Facebook and targeted talk page messages,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: There's a more general problem here we should fix: We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off dramatically after the first few views. So there's rarely a reason to run a continuous banner -- certainly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of organising every Wiki Loves Monuments. The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing content. In the past eight years small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi! I think one point is skipped, before this should be discussed at all: why is it not possible to move a banner to another month? This question needs an answer first. Each time this problem occurs, multiple years now in different occasions, the fundraising team says they can't move the banner,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Any reasons the WLM 'banner' can't become a Main Page panel like the ones on Commons? Il 20/08/2015 07:26, Risker ha scritto: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

If a local community wants this, they can create such of course. But I think most visitors from Wikipedia do not visit the Main Page. 2015-08-20 7:41 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org: Any reasons the WLM 'banner' can't become a Main Page panel like the ones on Commons? Il

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Sad news indeed. Is there a public discussion about this issue anywhere? Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly? Best regards, antanana ED of Wikimedia Ukraine 2015-08-18 21:42 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: Hi all, Sad news. The title of this thread seems a bit hard,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi Antanana, And I forgot to mention, this same issue existed in 2014 as well, with also there the downside effects. This subject is of banners has been discussed internally with the local Wiki Loves Monuments team, after I tried to gave some insights in the matter. I think this is done so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Antanana, And I forgot to mention, this same issue existed in 2014 as well, with also there the downside effects. This subject is of banners has been discussed internally with the local Wiki Loves Monuments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Hi Romaine, Sad to hear this. I remember running in the same situation a couple of years ago (2013) when a really prominent new privacy policy banner was put up for everyone with a high percentage for most of the month [1]. Back than I contacted the people at the WMF responsible for that. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Yes it can be possible without touching the fundraising's banner. The banner can be put in the Mediawiki:sitenotice in each project and can cohabitate with the fundraising's banner. The real problem is that a small banner can have only a limited effect. On 18.08.2015 23:31, Platonides wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Really sad indeed. Specially for a country with such a complicated situation as Italy. Given that they are going to take you banner time, maybe they would be possible to be convinced to include a small WLM ad in the donation page? I would expect targetting people that visit the page but