Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

* Josh Lim wrote: >In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? >Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the >dark? Technically it would be entirely possible for service providers to offer access to Wikipedia "for free" even if the Wikimedia F

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On 02/04/2015 02:54, Mike Godwin wrote: Andreas writes: "Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view." I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Rupert Thurner writes: > while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this > email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. I'm strangely untroubled by "harsh," but I'm glad you don't call it "unfair." I don't think I was unfair. Besides, when someone is as insignificant as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

hi mike, while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. net neutrality targets censorship in some countries, but price to access internet in most countries, which is antitrust or competition law. You are well known for free sp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jens Best > Sent: 31 March 2015 09:27 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President > of Strategic Partnerships > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hi Kourosh! The Wikimedia Foundation's vision is of "a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Knowledge, not unreliable assertions. Presently we offer unreliable assertions. I would be grateful for any support you can offer us in fostering partnersh

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Andreas writes: "Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view." I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in some circles, I've been considered from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: > I can agree on the dilemma you present. > > But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be > to close down the projects that is not run "compatible with the values > underlying the idea of a free and open web"?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tanweer Morshed wrote: > Welcome to Kourosh! Wikimedians around the world have already been creating > partnerships under various programs including GLAMs and with universities, > institutions etc. This is rational from the sense that this new department > (Strat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > It should be noted that the Federal Communications Commission, in its > recent Report and Order requiring network neutrality for American > telcos and service providers, expressly refused to draw a categorical > conclusion whether zero-rated s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

lf Of Jens Best Sent: 31 March 2015 09:27 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that "white, privileged and well educated" pe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On 15-04-01 03:57 PM, Jens Best wrote: > For me (and other students) "going online" wasn't cheap back in the 90s Perhaps the date is the issue here, but is this some attempt at humour? "Wasn't cheap"? Are you seriously comparing your student lifestyle with the socioeconomic reality of the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hi Josh et al., as you seemed a bit upset, I want to take the chance to answer you to better understand my position. Taking your "brutal honesty" into account I will try to be the same. I wasn't sure especially about that point in the discussion, because my knowledge about the access situations a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Apr 1, 2015 6:03 PM, "Josh Lim" wrote: > > Hi Jens, > > In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a "more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a "more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedia)”, yet we’re not seeing anything coming out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that "white, privileged and well educated" people aren't allowed to critize ways how first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong, non-open "internet" in developing countries is just plain emotional rhetoric

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Er, Mike, this is a minor point but your signature seems to indicate that you were general counsel for over a millennium---very impressive! Personally I think that Zero should be evaluated from an impact perspective. While it's indisputable that it's strategically aligned with the WMF mission, if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

If only my emails were wiki-editable. Thanks for the correction regarding my affiliation. "Seems to me that in its current form it's just going to drag along---Zero either needs a clear procedural rethink or it needs to be would down." The only two possible choices, eh? --Mike On Wed, Apr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

GerardM writes: > With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not > have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily > available is an important indicator for further development. Not having > Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

I’m sorry, Andreas, but I cannot in good conscience support your stance calling for the closure of Wikipedia Zero, coming from a country that has so far benefited from the program not only in terms of the number of new readers that we have, but also potentially pave the way for more users as wel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hoi, With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily available is an important indicator for further development. Not having Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than having it. Your argum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

I can agree on the dilemma you present. But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be to close down the projects that is not run "compatible with the values underlying the idea of a free and open web"?. I am (still) of the opinion that is is of utmost importance fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption case[1] has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero. Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia users who: - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users cannot even see which statements *ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Saying that it is a "normal term in the USA" doesn't contradict the impression Andreas has. 2015-03-29 14:03 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating : > > I find the term "Advancement Department" has a somewhat Orwellian ring. > > > > > It's quite a normal term in the USA. For instance, the Council for > Advance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Well, first of all, welcome Kourosh. I'm looking forward to see how the reality of this exciting job description gonna look like. For me this also sounds like a clear move to a more politically positioned understanding of this aspect of the growing importance of the Wikimedia-Movment globally. "

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

> I find the term "Advancement Department" has a somewhat Orwellian ring. > > It's quite a normal term in the USA. For instance, the Council for Advancement and Support of Education is the (global, but US-dominated) professional body for university fundraisers. Chris __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome, Kourosh! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I find the term "Advancement Department" has a somewhat Orwellian ring. > > The FAQ mentions that – > > The new role is focused on creating value for the Wikimedia movement and on > supporting our ability to fulfil our mis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

I find the term "Advancement Department" has a somewhat Orwellian ring. The FAQ mentions that – The new role is focused on creating value for the Wikimedia movement and on supporting our ability to fulfil our mission. Value can be understood in many different ways. We believe that it can be about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome to Kourosh! Wikimedians around the world have already been creating partnerships under various programs including GLAMs and with universities, institutions etc. This is rational from the sense that this new department (Strategic Partnerships) would address all these issues along with furthe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:17:20 +0100 Cristian Consonni wrote: > Welcome, Kourosh! > > Cristian Welcome, Kourosh, and good luck! Regards, -- Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Let’s talk about re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome Kourosh to the Wikimedia family :) Cheers Ali Haidar Khan FDC Member Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh On Mar 28, 2015 6:02 AM, "Pine W" wrote: > Welcome Kourosh. (: > > Can you give us some examples of partnerships that you will be developing > or supporting? > > It would also be really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome Kourosh. (: Can you give us some examples of partnerships that you will be developing or supporting? It would also be really interesting to hear how your role relates to the kinds of institutional relationships that other departments have formed over the years. I'd love to hear an overvie

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Fantastic news and a great advancement - welcome Kourosh! SJ On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Lila Tretikov wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been considering > new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is an > essential

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Lodewijk wrote: >In Wikimedian spirit, i would like to take the opportunity to ask the >silly question: is the structure of what all titles in Wikimedia mean, >described somewhere? Because to be honest, I'm getting all confused about >who ranks what in the structure of directors, vice presidents, c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Lodewijk: there is this interactive org chart, but I do not know how official it is: http://orgcharts.wmflabs.org/#5085aa408fedf26b6801/ *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige 0729 - 67 29 48 *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome Kourosh. In Wikimedian spirit, i would like to take the opportunity to ask the silly question: is the structure of what all titles in Wikimedia mean, described somewhere? Because to be honest, I'm getting all confused about who ranks what in the structure of directors, vice presidents, chi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome, Kourosh! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Welcome to the wikimedia movement, Kourosh. Looking forward to seeing the partnerships and initiatives that can be grown that support our mission. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Lila Tretikov wrote: > Dear W

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Dear Wikimedians, In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been considering new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is an essential part of the Wikimedia movement, and today, I’m excited to let you know about a new addition at the Wikimedia Foundation that wil