Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-15 Thread Nicholas Moreau
Hi, As someone working in the world of municipal archives, I would suggest the open-source software Archivematica, https://www.artefactual.com/ As per this interview on the Library of Congress blog:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-14 Thread MZMcBride
Yann Forget wrote: >That completely defeats the point. >Anyone can keep a copy locally, but 1. the file isn't available publicly, >2. nobody really knows where it is available (Google won't say X has a >copy), 3. if the local storage is damaged, the file is lost. > >So I am asking the WMF to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-14 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2017-01-12 1:41 GMT+01:00 Newyorkbrad : > If it is decided not to host these materials on a wiki, whether for > copyright or any other reasons, then someone (either in the Office or > a volunteer) should be designated to retain a copy privately. That > way, he or she

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For me it is not clear at all that how a long term road map will be of benefit. Quite to the contrary. I am afraid it will solidify what the WMF does and remove any benefits of the ability to adapt to changes due to new points of view. I do understand the need to plan, I understand that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-14 Thread geni
On 12 January 2017 at 22:20, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it > could not show them a plan for the medium to long term. Umm are we looking at a different set of grant funded projects here because I've seen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dear J. and Gerard Firstly, whether or not I have edited a Wikipedia article is not particularly relevant to the proposition that the Foundation and the Community would work together better on planning the future of technical products if the Foundation would publish its roadmap to the Community.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are not answering the question. You are only producing arguments that may be meaningful to you but they do not explain why you are interested and what you do to affect what you aim to achieve. IMHO it is important for the WMF to concentrate on what it is that we do. Make it more relevant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread J.
"Rogol", Have you ever edited a Wikipedia article?[1] We are here to build a quality encyclopedia, not make popcorn! Wayne [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Rogol+Domedonfors On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Gerard, > > (big snip) > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard, It isn't personal to me at all, of course. I'm not asking for privileged access to these plans or my own personal personal copy. I am requesting that the Foundation publish their medium to long term technical planning, the technical roadmap if you will, to the community so that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Dear Rogol, When I check out your profile, you are retired. Maybe you do not know any more but the WMF has been pretty consistent in the way that it operates over the years. So in details things change and arguably it could be different for all kinds of reasons. But as the WMF is not actively

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it could not show them a plan for the medium to long term. For some reason, the Foundation is consistently unwilling to share this plan with the Community (its biggest donor in terms both of money and surplus value). I wonder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-12 Thread Fæ
No need, it's on webarchive: http://web.archive.org/web/20170112103412/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/d/dd/Education_and_WGIG.pdf Unlike Wikimedia projects, Webarchive has a long term plan that one would expect of a digital archive, so it's a much safer space for historical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-11 Thread Newyorkbrad
If it is decided not to host these materials on a wiki, whether for copyright or any other reasons, then someone (either in the Office or a volunteer) should be designated to retain a copy privately. That way, he or she will be able to upload it later if the copyright status or policy changes in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
Thank you for bringing this up, Yann. Some relevant context is that Meta Wiki users considered permitting such files on Meta Wiki a year and a half ago, and decided not to. The electorate was not very big (14 votes, total), but it was carefully considered, with compelling arguments made on both

[Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-11 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, I would like to get more opinions about what to do with files such as https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Education_and_WGIG.pdf This is a draft from a United Nations conference which mentions Wikipedia (the first and only AFAIK), and as such, an important historical document. It doesn't