[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-27 Thread Steven Mantz
i wish to state that I feel the charter should NOT be ratified. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Publ

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-22 Thread Paul J. Weiss
I share many of the same concerns others have raised. However I did want to say that I appreciate the time and effort that Nat and Lorenzo put into writing the detailed message they sent, and the time and energy it will take to read responses and possibly respond to them. That said, I have a r

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
I strongly disagree with cancelling or delaying the ratification process. I want my support for the charter to be duly noted, and the set up of the process and preparation have both going all OK. I have participated in all parliamentary election in my country, even when i know my preferred pa

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Samuel Klein
I agree with Christophe (no surprise) and also with what Paulo and Gnangarra wrote. – The Board should vote first. (Obviously the community can organize its own vote for a no-WMF-approval-required movement body, but here we are talking about shared decision-making that starts with WMF delegation

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Chris Keating
To offer a slightly fuller response: Let us not forget that the current draft of the Movement Charter is a response to the WMF Board's resolution of 27 March 2020 (1) which endorsed the Movement Strategy Recommendations, including the Ensure Equity in Decision-Making recommendation (2) which envis

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Wikipedysta Nadzik
Good {{timezone appropriate greeting}}, I have worked as a facilitator in a few organisations. In the Wikimedia Movement (2021-2022), I engaged people for the BoT elections and the UCoC process. Global vote and engagement on this scale take a toll on a community, and this should not be overlooked.

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Gnangarra
Hi Have to agree with Christophe, if the recommendation of the BOT liaisons to the Board about the MCDC is to reject it, then the Board should meet first and make their collective decision regardless of the cost. This is a broad document, with as significant a potential for good and as it does ha

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
People don't approve a bad or deficient Constitution, and then hope for improvement afterwards. No Charter is way better than a problematic Charter. Paulo Christophe Henner escreveu (sexta, 21/06/2024 à(s) 13:29): > Hi Nataliia, > > Thank you for your clear feedback. I’m concerned about the cur

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi Nataliia, Thank you for your clear feedback. I’m concerned about the current situation regarding the Movement Charter. Firstly, I recommend the Foundation vote first in the process. The board, being the smaller group with decisive power, should *lead by example* to avoid wasting the community’

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Chris Keating
Well, I have never seen an organisation undermine its own strategy so spectacularly, or waste so many millions of dollars, or years-worth of volunteer time. On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:18 AM Nataliia Tymkiv wrote: > Dear all, > > We are grateful to the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC)

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Anders Wennersten
I am a volunteer. There is nothing unique in my credential and experience (15 years, 4-6 hours every day, 80 edits, being a member of some 8-10 movement bodies, mostly in grant-making). I spend this time and effort because I believe in our aim, knowledge to all, but also as I do like the c

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
rom: James Heilman Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 12:22 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft All boards members of the WMF are required legally to represent the interests of the WMF no matter how

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread James Heilman
All boards members of the WMF are required legally to represent the interests of the WMF no matter how they arrived on the board. However, when I was on the board I viewed the best interests of the foundation and community as inseparable as neither can succeed without the other. J Sent from Gmail

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board liaisons reflections on final Movement charter draft

2024-06-21 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear Natalia and Lorenzo, I have read your message and there are good reasons to support what you are claiming there, even if I don't share your views. The discussion about how to share power is always complex, and the ones losing power might have good reasons to try keeping it. I don't doubt th