Hi James,
I fail to see the relation between Erik message and you answer.
I have huge doubt that Mandarin will eclipse English anytime soon.
Despite the Confucius institutes growing everywhere in the world, as far
as my narrow knowledge of the world goes, PRC doesn't seem to aim
exporting Man
Hi Erik,
I get the feeling you would question my identity if I didn't follow up
by asking you whether they asked you to endorse the possibility that
Mandarin could eclipse English?
Best regards,
James
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Andre
>
> (Oddly enough, I am more likely to read a Wikipedia article
> from beginning to end if I'm looking something up on the Kindle, while I'm
> reading a book.)
>
There's definitely some appetite for [WP-branded and -supported!] reading
and research devices tuned for this sort of work: hyperlinked
Hi everybody --
I just wanted to follow up quickly that this report has been published and
is available here:
> I know that some folks were wondering about all the consultation comments
> about features, interfaces, and product improvements that didn't get
> incorporated into the strategy. We kn
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> I think it would be good to do some legal work to gain that clarity. The
> Amazon Echo issue, with the Echo potentially using millions of words from
> Wikipedia without any kind of attribution and indication of provenance at
> all, was raise
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:11 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:51 AM, James Salsman wrote:
>> Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services
>> relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to
>> attribute authorship by specifying the revisio
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:51 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> Erik,
>
> Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services
> relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to
> attribute authorship by specifying the revision date from which the
> transluded content is deri
Hi Katherine,
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Katherine Maher
wrote:
> 2017-10-09 17:44 GMT-07:00 Erik Moeller :
> >
> > With an eye to 2030 and WMF's long-term direction, I do think it's
> > worth thinking about Wikidata's centrality, and I would agree with you
> > at least that the phrase "t
Hi Erik,
More good points here.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> With regard to the issue of citations, it's worth noting that it's
> already possible to _conditionally_ load data from Wikidata, excluding
> information that is unsourced or only sourced circularly (i.e.
Of
Lodewijk
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Thanks for the response, Katherine. I'm a little concerned that we can have
such &q
Hello Lodewijk,
no, you are certainly not alone in your concerns. It looks like at this
stage there is little we can do, and the only option left is to not endorse
the document.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Lodewijk
wrote:
> Thanks for the response, Katherine. I'm a little
Thanks for the response, Katherine. I'm a little concerned that we can have
such "vastly different" interpretations of the same text. I tried to get
some Wikimedians to give me their take-away, and have not gotten a
consistent direction from those.
What I mostly remember after reading your respons
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay in chiming in. It's been a busy few weeks, and while I
haven't made a public update about strategy in a while, work has been
continuing! We've now closed Phase 1, and we're heading into Phase 2, in
which our objective is to start thinking about how we make the strategic
Erik,
Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services
relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to
attribute authorship by specifying the revision date from which the
transluded content is derived?
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Tu
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Wikidata has its own problems in that regard that have triggered ongoing
> discussions and concerns on the English Wikipedia.[1]
Tensions between different communities with overlapping but
non-identical objectives are unavoidable. Repositor
Hi Erik,
Really meaty post. Great stuff. Comments below.
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
>
> > ... and it will all become one free mush everyone copies to make a buck.
> We
> > are already in a situation today where a
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:43 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Leinonen Teemu
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is super interesting and important discussion. One idea.
> >
> >> On 10 Oct 2017, at 3.44, Erik Moeller wrote:
> >> And for most of the sources amalgamated i
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> I wouldn't call information from Wikimedia projects a "mush", but I
> think it's a good term for the proprietary amalgamation of information
> and data from many sources, often without any regard for the
> reliability of the source
Is t
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Leinonen Teemu wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is super interesting and important discussion. One idea.
>
>> On 10 Oct 2017, at 3.44, Erik Moeller wrote:
>> And for most of the sources amalgamated in this manner, if provenance
>> is indicated at all, we don't find any o
Hi all,
This is super interesting and important discussion. One idea.
> On 10 Oct 2017, at 3.44, Erik Moeller wrote:
> And for most of the sources amalgamated in this manner, if provenance
> is indicated at all, we don't find any of the safeguards we have for
> Wikimedia content (revisioning,
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> ... and it will all become one free mush everyone copies to make a buck. We
> are already in a situation today where anyone asking Siri, the Amazon Echo,
> Google or Bing about a topic is likely to get the same answer from all of
> them, beca
Hi Erik,
Nice to hear from you.
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> The power of an open, nonprofit approach to "knowledge as a service"
> is precisely to democratize access to knowledge graph information: to
> make it available to nonprofits, public institutions, communit
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Reading between the lines of statements like "Knowledge as a service",
> "essential infrastructure", "tools for allies and partners to organize and
> exchange free knowledge beyond Wikimedia", etc., my sense is that the
> document, without sa
Hello Guillaume,
Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you that
this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or „begrudging
fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully j
Hey Yuri,
IMHO, this section is the closest thing (thus far) to an 'elevator pitch'
for the direction of the movement:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
You could probably even knock it down to "The Wikimedia mov
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> Hello Joseph,
>
> We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the
> movement.
>
> The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several
> communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wi
For a while I have had a strong sensation, possibly unjustly so, of a
highly over-complicated result. There are many good words, but I keep not
seeing a simple, concise, intuitively understood statement. I feel we are
still missing an understandable elevator pitch. If asked, I seriously
doubt I w
Hello,
If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
going.
Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even mor
As I mentioned earlier on a different occasion, at the very first step we
at the Russian Wikivoyage have taken the strategy discussion seriously and
compiled this document (Russian + translation to English),
https://ru.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5
Hello Joseph,
We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the
movement.
The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several
communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wikidata or
of Mediawiki.org.
Staffers of the WMF are part of the mo
I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or
teachers.
I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus
it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for
being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is that
All possible stakeholders and participants in our 'value chain' should be
consulted and be part of developing strategy.
That does not make them all the same as the community that create our
projects or sustain our content long term. It's a mime that has been pushed
and stretched until the communit
Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
Members of staff of GLAM institutions wh
Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
with how the foundations remain flawed.
Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but will
never keep you there.
Return to the t
Hello Katherine,
This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
a useful and appropriate document for our future.
The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
feedb
Thanks for the update, Katherine.
Regards,
Isaac
On Sep 30, 2017 9:29 PM, "Katherine Maher" wrote:
Hi all,
Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
strategic direction. This version is availa
Hi all,
Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
Starting tomo
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