Saluton Samuel kaj ĉiuj,
Le 23/11/2017 à 22:39, Samuel Klein a écrit :
On Nov 23, 2017 2:55 PM, "Emeric Vallespi"
wrote:
the Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and
defaming people who question
Please don't turn it to a inaccurate "us versus them" representation.
One must have the courage of one's words and assume them.
There is a very simple way of knowing who is lying: can Sylvain publish the
letter in question? I will be really interested to see when he was punished
for "having a girlfriend".
Furthermore, I can't agree more with Craig and as I said, what
Can I suggest to all parties that, as was the case last time this came up
here, raking this conflict over the coals here on a mailing list where very
few of us have direct knowledge of the situation, or the power to do
anything about it in any case, is probably not helpful for anyone? I am
especia
Emeric,
When you say, that no sanction has filed his HR record, you are half or
completely lying.
The existence of a "rappel à l'ordre" (warning)
is an argument which can support fire someone of the staff so it should
be in a HR record.
In the same way Sylvain never said he is writing his email o
Good evening Émeric, good evening all.
Allow me to reply. Oh wait, that's right, I don't need you to allow the
publication of emails on this mailing list - this sure comes as a change,
and a welcome one too !
I won't be speaking of any member of the community, whether volunteer or
employee, it is
Dear Sylvain,
Thank you for your message and thank you for showing us that our Wikimedia
employees are white collar workers, and as such they also have the right to
be part of an organized labor movement. For those who do not know me well,
I am a board member of the Geneva public sector labor unio
On Nov 23, 2017 2:55 PM, "Emeric Vallespi"
wrote:
the Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and
defaming people who question
I cannot imagine why anyone would attempt to defame you, when they cannot
hope to surpass the eloquence and thoroughness of your own writing.
Sylvain,
I have to answer to your email where you’re especially lying.
You say that you’re writing on behalf of a union section of the employees of
Wikimedia France but I’m personally curious to know the weight of this union
section. My question is actually: who else is represented by your email
Hi Katherine,
2017-10-19 23:19 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :
> [...]
>
> We are committed to working with the new Wikimédia France conseil
> d’administration (governing board) to support the French community as they
> work to address and resolve these and other outstanding issues. The
> Wikimedia
I must echo Lodewijk's words.
Washing dirty linen in public is beneficial to no one and damages everyone
involved including those making the accusations. There will be and are
lessons to be learned but right now there is a huge chilling effect from
the presence of lawyers on many sides and there i
While this topic is painful and important, I don't have the feeling any
progress is being made by continuing this tirade on this mailing list.
I can see that hiring lawyers to investigate, will (at least in my culture)
always have a whiff of subjectivity. Even though this seems (from what I
unders
Hi Remi, You're mail is one big complaint, may I remind you to the last
phrase of your Board Handbook? It states: Fortes capacité d’auto-évaluation
(Strong self-assessment capability). Thank you, Frans
*Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair
+31 6 5333 9499
--
*Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland*
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Emeric VALLESPI wrote:
> Katherine,
>
> [...]
> The lawyers you have appointed have been paid by the Foundation. They
> *only* interviewed the defendant.
Is this true? Because if what Emeric and Remi say is in fact true, it seems
inappropriate to character
Katherine,
I told you a month ago "Maybe you should reply as a responsible human being
and not as a trained crisis communication people". This is truer everyday.
What did you write this email yesterday, and not one,two, three months ago?
Because I left Wikimedia France, because a Fields Medallist
I think the broader point being that for any legal or criminal complaints,
the appropriate venue is the court system, not the Wikimedia-L mailing
list.
Dan Rosenthal
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:45 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> > Legal threats are surely the universal language of bad faith
>
> That
> Legal threats are surely the universal language of bad faith
That assumes that legal threats are never legitimate. If there are
criminal allegations of which the Foundation has not yet been made
aware, they should be emailed to the appropriate officials and role
accounts. Abuse of process is the
Thank you Katherine for your long and thoughtful message on this difficult
subject. I feel that the Foundation took the necessary steps to ensure that
all parties concerned were treated fairly. I also tend to trust the
Foundation board when they say that there was "no merit to the charges".
This a
On Oct 19, 2017 7:41 PM, "Richard Farmbrough"
wrote:
I think it very clear that these allegations were the last gasp of an
ancient regime,
Legal threats are surely the universal language of bad faith. And I have
complete trust in Pierre-Selim and Caroline.
Thanks Katherine, for sharing detail
I think it very clear that these allegations were the last gasp of an
ancient regime, mired as it was in nepotism and other unsavoury practices.
The criminal allegations can be left to the police. The description of the
steps taken by the WMF in this case seems to be of a very sensible
handlinger
Katherine,
Your answer is particularly shocking. Which right has the Foundation to
feel legitimate in order to describe the situation experienced by Nathalie
Martin or by other people? Only a judge can.
The movement organization does not take precedence over the laws of the
countries.
You rely on
Thanks so much, Katherine, for this detailed report. I really appreciate
this.
Patricio
El jue., 19 de oct. de 2017 a la(s) 18:20, Katherine Maher <
kma...@wikimedia.org> escribió:
> Everyone,
>
> The past six months have been a complex and trou
Everyone,
The past six months have been a complex and troubling time for our
community in France. Let me be absolutely clear, with no confusion or
ambiguity, that the Wikimedia Foundation condemns harassment. We take all
harassment claims seriously, investigate them promptly, and take the
appropri
Hi Emeric,
I am very pleased that you take mental health seriously. I remember, not so
long ago, that your actions while you were in Wikimedia France had serious
impact on the mental health of at least two of your members.
In January, someone had a meltdown just in front of you. Could you remind
I don't trust any of the harassement accusations made by Nathalie, Emeric,
Marie-Alice and Rémi.
I know for sure that they use this kind of accusations very lightly. They
used it on myself too.
Marie-Alice wrote to me on July 5th, that my membership was refused due to
my long standing relationship
Taking María's statement on behalf of the WMF by itself, there are a
couple of simple in-line questions about handling governance I would
like to make, based on my experience with a number of governance
issues both within and outside of Wikimedia related organizations.
I'm sticking to this being a
Dear Maria,
Dear all,
The Wikimedia Foundation board of trustees, the executive and the legal
management of the Wikimedia Foundation have been informed of Nathalie Martin's
complaint against her former employer now member of your board, and then of the
criminal complaint against this same perso
I worked in France some years ago, and I had the feeling that in my experience
allegations of harassment were more common there than in other countries. At
least in the tertiary sector.
My idea is that instead of fixing the disfunctionalities of the working
environment (which in France seemed t
For the moment I have virtually zero trust in all involved, including the
wmf board. Reorganize and regain trust!
John Erling Blad
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Natacha Rault wrote:
> Hi Maria, thank you.
>
> Personnally, and as an engaged feminist in real life, I dont believe one
> word of
Hi Maria, thank you.
Personnally, and as an engaged feminist in real life, I dont believe one word
of these allegations.
My support goes to Christophe, and like you wrote, these allegations I think
are not backed up by evidence as far as I have been informed).
Too many people within the fra
Dear all,
We would like to specifically address the allegations related to harassment
in this thread’s original email. We take all allegations of harassment
seriously. Earlier this year, the Board of Trustees was informed that
allegations of harassment had been made against the Wikimedia Foundati
When I first saw the posts I thought it would probably be more opinions to
them than the very clear blame-game that were going on. Having a partly
anonymous community and a chapter that only represents some of the users
are an invitation to fierce battles.
Whatever going on at WMFR, I believe it i
Hello all,
I haven’t had a real opportunity to introduce myself: I am Marie-Alice
Mathis, 32, a now ex-member of the Board of Wikimédia France.
The transition with the newly elected members of the Board is now complete
and I gladly step down to get away from the violence, exhaustion and
frustrati
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