Hello, all.
I've just posted an announcement by legal on Meta (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Logo_announcement) about the
Wikivoyage logo - unfortunately, we are going to have to choose a new one.
To save you all from having to click on the link, I'll reproduce the
announcement at the
Michelle Paulson wrote:
>Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from the
>WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO agreed
>with our assessment that the two logos contain substantial differences and
>could co-exist, we understand their concern. W
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Michelle Paulson wrote:
> >Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from the
> >WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO agreed
> >with our assessment that the two logos contain substantial dif
ing List"
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
Michelle Paulson wrote:
>Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from
>the
>WTO, requesting that we change the log
ng a chance with this.
> Which specific aspects do they object to?
> Peter Southwood.
> - Original Message - From: "Maggie Dennis"
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
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> >
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:39 AM
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I would still like an answer to my questions
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
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From: "Craig Franklin"
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
I'm sure that the legal team h
Craig Franklin wrote:
>I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
>have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
>argument. Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the lawyers of a
>major international organisation over a trademark cl
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> I would think some of these issues would be of concern to you. This isn't
> about asking anyone to play chicken. It's about ensuring that communities
> are free to choose their own identity.
Change it to a blank/transparent square for the logo
K. Peachey wrote:
Change it to a blank/transparent square for the logo at the current
time, Then let WV take as long as they want to choose a new logo?
In other words, let's remove their logo, even against their wish, and
then let /them/ come up with a solution?
-- Tomasz
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On 2 June 2013 00:22, MZMcBride wrote:
> Craig Franklin wrote:
> >I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
> >have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
> >argument. Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the lawyers of a
> >m
Hi Maggie and Michelle, thank you for this update.
I see that 4 people noted similarity to the WTO logo in the first
round of voting. Another noted that while he liked the logo, it should
be modified to be significantly different in the second round... but
that did not happen. (none of the variant
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
Cheers,
Peter
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To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Wik
comes to principles.
> Cheers,
> Peter
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> - Original Message - From: "Craig Franklin" <
> cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
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> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Wikime
Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully?
Nemo
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MZM,
"This time" misses the point of risk management - it's all probabilistic
rather than deterministic. It is totally reasonable for WMF to have judged
that the differences between the two logos are large enough that a
trademark claim is sufficiently *unlikely* to happen. But outliers do occur
an
Very eloquently put Denny.
I think your point is very well made that independently of what we as
individuals think about the legal Trademark merits of this particular case,
or the community processes of choosing a logo, the point remains that our
fighting this would not help to serve the mission (e
On 2 June 2013 06:43, Peter Southwood wrote:
> So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
> Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
The principle being applied here is, I think, "do the right thing".
The WTO is going out of their way to be decent about a logo
without
having to take a second glance.
So what is their objection? (my actual question in the first instance)
Cheers,
Peter
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From: "David Gerard"
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Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 2:05 PM
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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:
>
> So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
>> Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
>>
>
> Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully?
>
> Nemo
Deryck Chan wrote:
>"This time" misses the point of risk management - it's all probabilistic
>rather than deterministic. It is totally reasonable for WMF to have judged
>that the differences between the two logos are large enough that a
>trademark claim is sufficiently *unlikely* to happen. But out
That would only be true if they were right.
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From: "phoebe ayers"
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Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
Pe
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> - Original Message - From: "phoebe ayers"
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
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> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > >wrote:
>&g
On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our
legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's
not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a
different legal system and wi
Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, would
that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like "Wikithistown" (with "Thistown" being
the name of a specific city) with the self-description: "Wikithistown is
the Wikipedia of Thistown", using also the Wikipedi
Hi,
> Sometime in the next couple of weeks, we will need to launch a contest for
> the new Wikivoyage logo, but first I'm hoping to get feedback and
> assistance in making the best process for that possible. We had been
> considering ways to optimize logo selection by the community, with the idea
On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
wrote:
> If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
> It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first
> contest.
This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was
a reason why not
On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:
On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
wrote:
If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the
first contest.
This was the obvious thing that occurred to me t
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
> On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:
>
>> On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
>> wrote:
>>
>> If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
>>> It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice
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Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos,
would
that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like "Wikithistown" (with "Thistown
Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I asked
a simple question about what the specifics of the compl
Le 2013-06-04 10:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was.
My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I
asked
Peter Southwood, 04/06/2013 11:31:
I am not an expert on copyright of logos, which is why I ask the question.
Howevr, I would have thought that a logo is described by the image, not
by words.
The premise is wrong; it's rather the opposite. (Personally I've only
registered one trademark, but I
Mathieu Stumpf, 04/06/2013 11:24:
Le 2013-06-04 10:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo
On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
wrote:
> Isn't it because trademark is based on the completly irrelevant and
> irrealistic willing to have an unilateral despotic control on some symbol,
> branded as "image protection", using ego/narcissistic fallacies to argue,
> threat and coer
On 4 June 2013 10:24, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> Le 2013-06-04 10:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
>
> Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
>>
>>> In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
>>> protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My
>>> point is
Hello, all.
I'm delighted to issue an update here. :)
Even though Michelle Paulson is out until Thursday because she was
subpoenaed as a witness in a trial (unrelated to WMF), she has continued
talking to WTO about the possibility of extending the end of July deadline
they had already granted us.
Le 2013-06-04 19:25, George Herbert a écrit :
On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
wrote:
Isn't it because trademark is based on the completly irrelevant and
irrealistic willing to have an unilateral despotic control on some
symbol, branded as "image protection", using ego/narcissistic
Trademark protection has benefits for both parties, but primarily the
consumer.
There is little point protecting our neutrality, for example, if our
identity can be hijacked to make vested recommendations.
On 05/06/2013 15:58, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le 2013-06-04 19:25, George Herbert a écri
Just a statement besides all the other issues. I am quite happy about the new
vote. I did not like the logo because its very similar to the old
Wikitravel-Logo.
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Hello all
We are discussing what text should accompany our logo. We have a straw poll
up and running.
The hope is to officially launch on Wikipedia's birthday so a little
pressed for time.
--
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Sorry an here is the link
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikivoyage/Logo#Round_2_results
James
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:53 AM, James Heilman wrote:
> Hello all
>
> We are discussing what text should accompany our logo. We have a straw
> poll up and running.
>
> The hope is to officially l
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