Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program

2012-07-31 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 31 July 2012 21:26, Anivar Aravind ani...@movingrepublic.org wrote: Dear Barry, Just a question . What will happen to Wikimedia India Programme Trust[1] I Think it need to be answered in FAQ[2]. In my observation, the registration of a third entity , at a safe distance from Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program

2012-07-31 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 30 July 2012 16:18, Barry Newstead (WMF) bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: As a follow up to Hisham's message, I would like to thank Hisham for his efforts in support of Wikimedia in India. He has been a great partner to the Wikimedia Foundation team and has worked tirelessly to build the

[Wikimedia-l] Language committee report, July 2012

2012-07-31 Thread MF-Warburg
The Language Committee (Langcom) report for July 2012 was published. The Langcom reports used to be published on this list too for some time, but that has stopped and they were only put on Meta. I would now like to resume putting the monthly report here. See the wiki version on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:35:49AM +0300, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like improve existing pages and write new ones may not be obvious. Is there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread MZMcBride
FT2 wrote: A bot that can be given a list of the important templates, or categories of templates, would be good for starting a new project. Once articles exist, at least some meaning comes through and it's more likely people will edit them. Maybe. People should be _extremely_ cautious when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

2012-08-01 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, Conflict of Interest (CoI) is a much bigger issue than paid editing. I have seen several serious CoI within Wikipedia where the editors are not strictly paid because they edit WP, nevertheless they do not respect the basic NPOV rules: allowing other opinions to be heard, balancing sources

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2012 07:11, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's use the page we used to use to discuss plans and budgets: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget I thought this was implicit, but apparently not: can someone from the WMF please answer the questions that are on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Yann Forget
2012/7/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

2012-08-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-08-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
MZMcBride, 01/08/2012 03:10: [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BOTOVERUSE#History has most of the history, though I could swear a project or two has been restarted due to bots over-running the site. Does anyone have a citation for that? A citation for what? Anyway, the section seems correct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

2012-08-01 Thread Delirium
On 8/1/12 1:51 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious

[Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers for the Translation Committee

2012-08-01 Thread Jon Harald Søby
[this was also posted to translators-l last week, but we want to spread the word even further] Hi all, The translation committee on Meta has been dormant for some time (individual members have been active, but the committee as such has not been active), but it is time to revive it to ensure that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Sue Gardner
I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? I'll ask Tilman via this mail to help coordinate getting answers from the appropriate people. Separately/additionally: I thought the Signpost coverage was pretty good. It wasn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 31 -- 30 July 2012

2012-08-01 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Wikimedians and London 2012; WMF budget - staffing, engineering, editor retention effort, and the global South; Telegraph's cheap shot at WP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/News_and_notes Recent research: Conflict dynamics, collaboration and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Sue Gardner
On 1 August 2012 09:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using:

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] July Fellowship News

2012-08-01 Thread Siko Bouterse
Hi all, The July edition of the Fellowship News is now available: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News Topics covered include all current fellowship projects: *Fellowship Program updates *Dispute Resolution *Gender Gap *Help Page Redesign *Small-Wiki Editor Engagement *Teahouse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Asaf Bartov
Hi, folks. I've also tried to address the (truly confusing) use of the word grants across the plan. See here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimedia_Grants_budget Cheers, Asaf On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 1 August

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
There has been discussion about this in the past. To second Philippe's comment: A uniform process makes sense. In practice, most of the advocacy or policy positions of the WMF have for years taken the form of amicus briefs. And positions the WMF takes on behalf of promoting, preserving, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Mark
On 8/2/12 7:51 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: And I would love to see the foundation practice delegating some of this bureaucracy and responsibility to non-staff groups. We have no shortage of energy, talent, and experience there in the community. In addition, there's a fairly well-organized set of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: On 2 August 2012 05:13, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: This appears to be an unprecedented power-grab by the office of the General Counsel. Um ... that's a bizarre perception. Is it? I read through the page at Meta-Wiki and couldn't help but notice that every

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering July 2012 report

2012-08-02 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in July 2012 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2012/July Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/08/02/engineering-july-2012-report/ -- Guillaume Paumier Technical

[Wikimedia-l] Washington diary

2012-08-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Please allow me to send a link to my 'Washington diary' about Wikimania in Washington; it is mostly about the proceedings of the Wikimedia Chapters Association. Kind regards Ziko http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Washington_diary ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Wikimedia Fellows

2012-08-02 Thread Tanvir Rahman
Reminder: this office hours begin in 30 minutes. :-) Join #wikimedia-office from your IRC client or Webchat: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office -- Forwarded message -- From: Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org Date: Jul 31, 2012 3:36 AM Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Wikimedia Fellows

2012-08-02 Thread Tanvir Rahman
For those who missed our first office hour, logs are now available at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-08-02 Hope to see you all next time. Cheerio, Tanvir -- Tanvir Rahman Community Fellow Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 August 2012 05:13, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: This appears to be an unprecedented power-grab by the office of the General Counsel. Um ... that's a bizarre perception. Well, just look at the number of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist. The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed it into existence, not the Foundation. We merely facilitated.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread FT2
There's a fallacy going on here - ie a term with two subtly different meanings. The community - who are the ones ultimately making the gift do so altruistically, in the sense of not seeking *compensation*, but that's not the same as not expecting *consideration*. We do expect consideration.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Birgitte_sb
Seriously stop hijacking this thread. Let MZMcBride have a chance at some discussion on his question. This below is just not cool. Have some respect for MZMcBride. He didn't write out his thoughts or concerns with idea that the first reply would turn it all into snip fodder. That seems beyond

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Risker
On 2 August 2012 21:07, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Brandon Harris wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: What type of action was the SOPA blackout in January? You mean,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The line between what constitutes a community initiative and what's considered a request from an outside group still isn't clear to me Ah, interesting point. My read of this was that the guideline would consider an

[Wikimedia-l] Monthly Report Wikimedia Deutschland July 2012

2012-08-03 Thread Katja Ullrich
Hi everybody, Wikimedia Deutschland's monthly report for July 2012 in online now! In order to find our about - our experiences at Wikimania 2012https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2012 - news about the German Wikipedians in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I am afraid that is not how it feels at all. It's more like organising a giant volunteer effort to provide a market stall handing out free sweets and cakes for anyone who wants some. The stall is very popular, and many people chip in, bringing in cakes they've baked and candy they've made. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread wiki-list
bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist. The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed it into existence, not the Foundation. We merely facilitated. The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there an agreement between GoldenMap and the Wikipedia for the use of Wikipedia content?

2012-08-03 Thread Delirium
It looks like a direct scrape, even to the extent of having some internal links being broken because they didn't update them (e.g. the link to Wikimedia Commons at the end of the article). I believe it's just one of the (many) unauthorized mirrors that don't properly credit the source of their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, Man, what a talent for story telling! But I don't think you story represents anything close to WP. First comparing copying digital content illegally with stealing cakes is a very bad analogy. That's what the industry wants us to believe, and you falled by the trick. Then I don't think people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there an agreement between GoldenMap and the Wikipedia for the use of Wikipedia content?

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Dupont
on the copyright page they say that the content is mostly cc-by-sa http://en.goldenmap.com/stylesheets/terms.php On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: It looks like a direct scrape, even to the extent of having some internal links being broken because they didn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there an agreement between GoldenMap and the Wikipedia for the use of Wikipedia content?

2012-08-03 Thread Rui Correia
Thanks Mark and Mike Mike, well done on finding the About! I looked for it and could not find it. But surely saying that Most of the contents are licensed under CC-BY-SAhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ is not a licence to copy the entire Wikipedia wholesale, without as much as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread FT2
(warning, tl;dr!) ** *@Andreas - *I understand your sentiment, but in a reasoning way, I find I don't agree with that assessment. For what it's worth, I edit a lot on law - one of my GAs is a Supreme Court case, numerous others worked on, it's an area I like, and I tend to read full rulings like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist. The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed it into existence, not the Foundation. We merely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Todd Allen
Long as it's getting top-posted anyway... First, copying is not and cannot be theft. That's not to say it's always legally or ethically acceptable, mind you, but it's not theft. In legal terms, there was a court case over that particular matter, that ruled someone could not be charged on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Stephen LaPorte
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: My question, more directly, is: if the SOPA action from January 2012 were held in August 2012 (following the implementation of this new statement from the General Counsel's office), would it be considered a community

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia UK appoints new Chair

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Peel
Forwarding for info. Thanks, Mike Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK appoints new Chair Date: 2 August 2012 14:01:17 PDT To: Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: UK Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2012 19:12, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I agree that the community retains the authority to reach its own decisions about future actions of this type. I think the policy should be understood primarily as something the foundation will adhere to in its operations, not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: We do everything in our power to prevent the problem, but it would be absolutely cost prohibitive to do it 100% with the difference being that fine grained, and this law gives you the right to shut us down if we can't hit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there an agreement between GoldenMap and the Wikipedia for the use of Wikipedia content?

2012-08-03 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/8/3 Rui Correia correia@gmail.com: Dear All I came across a site called Golden Map, which has an encyclopaedic collection of articles that are the same as in the Wikipedia, but I don't see anywhere any information expalining what the association/ permission is. Is there an agreement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Sarah Stierch
How come these concerns weren't brought up months ago when the reflection about the blackout was posted to meta? It seems that right now Andreas, you are the main opponent of something that already happened and no one can change. I'd just post your concerns to meta and stop this talking in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Sarah, Well, for one I was not aware that there was a reflection about the blackout posted on Meta. A link would be appreciated. Thanks. Secondly, four or five months ago I would not have been aware of various events on the timeline that preceded the blackout. Third, this is an ongoing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Sarah Stierch
Hi - Actually, it looks like there are a few places where people can share their thoughts, etc. about SOPA/Blackoutness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout and other things related but not:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Godwin
Michael Snow writes: Perhaps worth adding, I think it's fair to say that these reviews did take place with respect to the use of Wikimedia Foundation resources in the context of the January SOPA protest. They didn't necessarily follow the form of the current policy, since it didn't exist yet,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-03 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28: Regarding the normal levels, I suppose you haven't yet had a chance to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ? Yes and it shows that there's still an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-03 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread MZMcBride
Stephen LaPorte wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: My question, more directly, is: if the SOPA action from January 2012 were held in August 2012 (following the implementation of this new statement from the General Counsel's office), would it be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-08-03 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English Wikipedia’s ArbCom and Portuguese Wikipedia’s top contributors, in an effort to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/08/2012 16:24, Mike Linksvayer wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the 10th of december, 1 day after a Creative Commons Board meeting,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Why are there so many various levels and steps if it's not a determination about principles and about whether a particular cause meets Wikimedia's mission? This is what's confusing me. People on the talk page at Meta-Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Nathan
Andreas makes a really important point below. Now that I read it from his perspective, it seems like what we're dealing with here is a surreptitious attempt by the General Counsel to hijack the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects to serve their covert corporate masters. Obviously the Bilderberg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Risker
On 3 August 2012 22:00, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: lots of stuff Andreas, I'm sorry, but you've been involved in Wikimedia projects for quite a while now. What in heaven's name would ever give you the idea that the WMF could possibly get itself organized enough to co-ordinate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:02:51 -0700 From: Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation Message-ID:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-04 Thread ???
On 04/08/2012 00:44, Mike Linksvayer wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/08/2012 16:24, Mike Linksvayer wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the 10th of december, 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-08-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I repeat my proposal that every wiki-website (project) should install a (international) contact person, and these contact persons should be following a mailing list with specified information for them. They inform the wiki-website-community about important issues on the village pump or via

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-08-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Thank you for the links, Tilman! 2012/8/4 Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English

[Wikimedia-l] Trent Franks quotes Wikipedia in the house of representatives

2012-08-04 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi there, It looks like Trent Franks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Franks) is a fan of wikipedia, but needs some information about how it works. He quotes Wikipedia, ``One year after the Fort Hood shooting, the motivations of the perpetrator were not yet established.'', maybe he needs to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Of course, here the term high quality does not necessarily mean, say, featured content (e.g. on the English Wikipedia, featured articles currently make up less than 0.1% of the total articles), but instead refers to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-08-04 Thread Michael Peel
There's a very strong selection bias on this list towards those that can read English, and those that have the time to follow very long, convoluted discussions. ;-) I think Ziko's talking more about a low-traffic list with key issues/points concisely described, which is completely different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-08-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:12:08 +0200, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Hello, I repeat my proposal that every wiki-website (project) should install a (international) contact person, and these contact persons should be following a mailing list with specified information for them. They inform the

[Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi, after crashing an hour or so ago EN Wikipedia has started to come back but with a really strange appearance - less usable than Vector. Rumour has it that someone cut through a fibre optic cable in Florida, so far none of the parties to various incidents on the Dwamah boards have fessed up as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 15:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after crashing an hour or so ago EN Wikipedia has started to come back but with a really strange appearance - less usable than Vector. Rumour has it that someone cut through a fibre optic cable in Florida, so far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread Stevie Benton
We're back in the UK. I've had a couple of media enquiries too. The strange appearance was because the stylesheets weren't loading. Thanks, Stevie On 6 August 2012 15:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 15:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread Delirium
On 8/6/12 4:52 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Hi, after crashing an hour or so ago EN Wikipedia has started to come back but with a really strange appearance - less usable than Vector. It's back to normal for me now. Afaict, the servers hosting the static CSS/JS came back up later than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread Rui Correia
Hi Would this be a EN Wikipedia issue only? Portuguese is acting funny too - the prompt/ auto-complete in the search field is not working properly, nor is the search function itself. Rui On 6 August 2012 16:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after crashing an hour or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
No, this is all wikis - I believe it was everything with *wikimedia or *wikipedia. NL was acting up, as well as various WMF-hosted chapter wikis. The search function will take a while to start working properly, too, for the same reasons as Delirium states. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Oliver Keyes
Verify what David said (I'm not technical, but it matches the description I've been given). Our ops guys and girls are currently poking things, which is slowing down a larger/more official announcement, but I'll see what I can do. On 6 August 2012 17:02, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 17:46, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Verify what David said (I'm not technical, but it matches the description I've been given). Our ops guys and girls are currently poking things, which is slowing down a larger/more official announcement, but I'll see what I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
David, the BBC says you told them the following: ---o0o--- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19148151 *Donations* Mr Gerard joked that due to the site's limited financial resources, some of its infrastructure relied on gaffer tape and string. In an error message posted to the site, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Could you get back to the BBC, please, David, and tell them that they somehow seem to have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here? And could you drop the gaffer tape and string jokes next time round? We operate the fifth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: David, the BBC says you told them the following: See, this is where you part ways with how the media works. These days I count it as a win if anything in quotes uses words I've ever used in my life. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: David, the BBC says you told them the following: See, this is where you part ways with how the media works. These days I count it as a win if anything in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:54 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: David, the BBC says you told them the following: See, this is where you part ways with how the media works. These days I count it as a win if anything in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Matthew Roth
There is now a WMF blog post explaining the initial findings from the Operations team: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/08/06/wikimedia-site-outage-6-august-2012/ We hope to have a more detailed report soon. -Matthew -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
Andreas, That idea - my idea - is taken wildly out-of-context, and I feel I have to step in and defend it. We were all asked to come up with a crazy idea that could costs about £10k as part of a brainstorming session - the canal boat idea was my contribution. As you know, I know a fair bit about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Richard, that is fine. But surely you can see that it's inappropriate to have the BBC imply, on a day when we have an outage, that we're strapped for cash to keep Wikipedia running, holding the site together with gaffer tape and string, and need donations, while in fact we have built up reserves

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
Who said we are struggling to come up with ideas? The page you link to hasn't been up long and already has several good ideas on it. On Aug 6, 2012 9:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, that is fine. But surely you can see that it's inappropriate to have the BBC imply, on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Thanks for the nice reply, Andreas. You get bonus points for liking barges! There are some very homey ones here in Cambridge ... with pot plants (bananas ...) and hanging baskets and everything, and a

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 32 -- 06 August 2012

2012-08-07 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: The Athena Project: being bold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/Op-ed News and notes: FDC portal launched http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/News_and_notes WikiProject report: Summer sports series: WikiProject Martial

[Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-08-15 16:30 UTC

2012-08-07 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF)
Hello everyone, You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. Date: 2012-08-15 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office Agenda: 1. Universal Language Selector update. 2. Language teams. 3. Q A For more logistical info and time conversion

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-07 Thread Barry Newstead
Dear Wikimedia friends and colleagues, It is bittersweet for me to share with all of you that I will be leaving the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of August to relocate to Australia for personal reasons. It is difficult for me to leave Wikimedia and particularly leave the Global Development

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-07 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/ -- Michel Vuijlsteke http://blog.zog.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-07 Thread Hay (Husky)
Yup, i think it's pretty nice. I especially like the 'edit' modus with the live edit view. And the colored bars on the top of the main page indicating the number of articles in a certain language. -- Hay On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Well, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-07 Thread Steven Zhang
Hi Barry, It may not mean much, but I wanted to express my gratitude to you for all the hard work you've done over the past two years, both for the Foundation and for the entire Wikimedia movement. When you leave, I think your successor will have big shoes to fill. As you know, I'm in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-07 Thread Steven Zhang
Hi all, Please disregard my previous correspondence, it was sent in error. Regards, Steve Zhang Community Fellow, Wikimedia Foundation szh...@wikimedia.org On 08/08/2012, at 4:41 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedia friends and colleagues, It is bittersweet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Yes indeed. Cool ideas ... and they look a bit more *professional* than our effort. ;) Andreas On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Michel Vuijlsteke wrote: Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-07 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedia friends and colleagues, It is bittersweet for me to share with all of you that I will be leaving the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of August to relocate to Australia for personal reasons. :( We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread Ed Erhart
I wonder what the wikipediaredefined people would think of Brandon Harris' Athena Project? cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/Op-ed, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Athena, etc. --Ed On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/ Yes, interesting. I asked them about whether they intend to keep it teling us instead of discussing it (no email list but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 August 2012 09:06, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: In the Hebrew Wikipedia the View history tab is called Previous versions, which makes a lot more sense.) That would be an *excellent* thing to do in MediaWiki in general. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Things I would change, I think that all pages have to have the main objective of the Movement, and a comprehension of the project is part of something bigger. And this proposed segmentation is archaic, there are several items that fit into more than one segment, and knowledge should not be

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedian in Latvia or Lithuania

2012-08-08 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear all, our department for education and knowledge is looking for a contact person in Latvia or Lithuania who is active within the field of Wikipedia and Education. We are planning a Wikipedia workshop with a German partner organisation there and would be glad to find someone to share

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread Victor Grigas
Labas! My 2 cents: Overall the team at http://www.newisnew.lt/lt have some very good ideas to share, however: If you are colorblind, the rainbow thing wont make any sense, and I strongly dislike the idea of burying smaller languages under a mouse. I think that Lithuanians (this re-design has

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