Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-10 Thread Ravishankar
Hi, * One meaning of burnt out: exhausted as a result of longtime stress Refer: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burnt-out Not only the people who have worked for former Wikimedia India office, but many from the chapter, people who have worked for the last Wiki Conference India are tired. Some

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-10 Thread Theo10011
I am getting a bit sick of the hypocrisy here. It's the people that are employed, people in the position of power complaining to people who have nothing to gain. It's like any other politician, government babu, complaining about the aam aadmi being angry after an year of scams and questionable

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Ravi, I was silently watching this debate and didn't want to join it for many reasons, but some of your assumptions force me to jump in, On 9 Feb 2013 04:48, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, My best wishes for the new A2K team. A sincere request to all Indian Wikimedians:

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Bishakha Datta
A big +100 to Ravishankar's message. Welcome aboard, Vishnu and Dr Niranjana. And to all on this list: can we please give the new A2K team the space, the good faith, and the openness so they can start to do what they need to do without feeling like people are nipping at their heels? Can we

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Congratulations Vishnu and Tejaswini on your new roles. All the best for the A2K team in growing Wikimedia in India. Arjuna 2013/2/8 Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com Dear Pradeep, If I may come-in on this. *From: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2...@yahoo.com; * To: * noopur noo...@cis-india.org;

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I fully agree with Vicram and others who feel its only fair that we give the new organisation a chance to do good and succeed. Dhaval Aravind, you are both right wrong. You are right that large parts of the India Program's strategic decisions went wrong and should bear the major blame for the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Theo10011
Hi Vickram, there seems to be a false assumption on your part that is underpinning most of your logic. Allow me to clarify. The funding is not new, it is not entering India now, in fact if I had to make an educated guess I would say the spending is an eighth or a sixth of what it was the last

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: I fully agree with Vicram and others who feel its only fair that we give the new organisation a chance to do good and succeed. Dhaval Aravind, you are both right wrong. You are right that large parts of the India

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.comwrote: There are 2 separate issues here . Please address them seperately 1. Blaming community for the organizational management failures of WMF India program (read Ravi once gain : Indian Wikimedia office was burnt

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Bishakha, I am amazed to see how beautifully something is ignored to be answered. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.comwrote: There are 2 separate issues here . Please

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-09 Thread Bishakha Datta
Nobody's being blamed! Negative approaches do cause burn outs. This is a reality. We know it. To say something that is a reality does not mean that anyone is being blamed. I genuinely can't understand why this is seen as blame or a stigma on the community. Also, I am not a politician and do not

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Vishnu t
Dear Pradeep, If I may come-in on this. *From: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2...@yahoo.com; * To: * noopur noo...@cis-india.org; * Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13 * Sent: * Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:05:53 AM Hi, Thank you for the update,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Gautam John
On 8 February 2013 17:44, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: Please join me in welcoming Dr. Tejaswini Niranjana to the Wiki-movement in India. I have taken the liberty to coy her on this mail. Read Dr. Niranjana's profile. Wow! Welcome to the movement!

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Vishnu, thanks for responding. Would you or someone from CIS help me understand the rationale for selecting two individuals affiliated with CSCS which is also affiliated with CIS? I don't mean to question the credentials of either you or Ms Tejaswini, however, was there a need felt for the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Vishnu t
Dear Srikanth, On 8 February 2013 18:56, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Vishnu, thanks for responding. Would you or someone from CIS help me understand the rationale for selecting two individuals affiliated with CSCS which is also affiliated with CIS? First about my

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; t...@cscs.res.in Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13 Dear Pradeep, If I may come-in on this. From

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Welcome Tejaswini. Its great that a person of your wide interests, experience and accomplishments is associated with the Indian language Wikipedian movement. Indian Language Wikipedias need all the help they can get and it is a great asset to have some one like you to present a different

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Ashwin Baindur
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.comwrote: . I had the privilege of attending a workshop session she conducted in Mumbai a couple of months back, and it was absolutely mind-blowing. Vishnu, I would request that the next such outreach may please be recorded

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Vickram Crishna
Uh, uh. It wasn't an outreach as such, it was an internal (closed) university academic event. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill The cameras were all around. We've got you taped; you're in the play. Here's your I.D. (Ideal for identifying one and all.) Invest your life in the memory bank; ours the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Theo10011
Hello Vishnu You seem to be getting awfully defensive in the beginning. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Srikanth, On 8 February 2013 18:56, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Vishnu, thanks for responding. Would you or someone

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Vickram Crishna
I don't know Vishnu, and I have only followed the recruitment process by email windowshopping, no direct participation. I have also enjoyed and admired the hard work being done by other enthusiastic Wikimedians, now in this debate, over the years. But the questions being asked came across to me

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Ravishankar
Hi all, My best wishes for the new A2K team. A sincere request to all Indian Wikimedians: CIS has been given a grant by WMF. Let CIS do their job in peace and let them be answerable to the grant review committee. Just because they are located in India and working on Indian Wikimedia projects,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: The former Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out precisely because of this negative approach from the community. Can you explain this ? I found this is a baseless allegation In my observation following 2 major factors

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

2013-02-08 Thread Vickram Crishna
While broadly concurring with Ravi, I have been informed by several Wikimedians that the office also had to deal with a plethora of well-meant queries and initiatives from external sources, ie outside India. I don't think any of us should be afraid to raise doubts, but equally, I don't think any