Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 James Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If anyone missed it and wants to see the Channel 4 report and interview with > the man from IWF it is online here: Heh they screwed up. They dropped the potentially illegal and went for flat out illegal. Given UK libel law only safe for government spoke

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Isabell Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Mind you, David was a case of 'blink and you'll miss him' ;-p > > Yes, it took me three watches to see that it was him and even then the > first one I skipped straight past it, I wasn't even sure that

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

If anyone missed it and wants to see the Channel 4 report and interview with the man from IWF it is online here: http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/censors+anger+wikipedia+users/2876007 2008/12/8 Isabell Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/12/8 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Mind you, David was a case of 'blink and you'll miss him' ;-p Yes, it took me three watches to see that it was him and even then the first one I skipped straight past it, I wasn't even sure that he was on it! -- Regards, Isabell Long. <[EMAIL PR

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Gazimoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I didn't catch the Sky News interview, but the Channel 4 one was good. Not > much of David, but the interview with the head of the IWF afterwards was > entertaining, to say the least. I'm not clear what happened with the Sky News interview. Did someone fro

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

On Mon, December 8, 2008 20:12, Theresa Knott wrote: > Yes he seemed completely at a loss as to what to say. Stumbling over his > words. Indeed, even though it appeared they'd sent an OB unit to his home so he should have felt rather more comfortable. Mind you, David was a case of 'blink and you'

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Gazimoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't catch the Sky News interview, but the Channel 4 one was good. Not > much of David, but the interview with the head of the IWF afterwards was > entertaining, to say the least. Yes he seemed completely at a loss as to wh

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] delay on the bank account

On Dec 8, 12:09 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/8 Tom Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The Co-op are saying they can't open the bank account until we're approved > > as an official chapter of WMF. > > Damn. We've been trying to make it clear from the start that we're > ind

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

I didn't catch the Sky News interview, but the Channel 4 one was good. Not much of David, but the interview with the head of the IWF afterwards was entertaining, to say the least. -Gazimoff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sen

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/8 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, December 8, 2008 18:35, jonathan cardy wrote: >> Amazon don't seem to have the image up - I've just searched for scorpion >> killers and got half a dozen hits, a couple with a photo of the band and >> the rest with "no image available". > > Th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

On Mon, December 8, 2008 18:35, jonathan cardy wrote: > Amazon don't seem to have the image up - I've just searched for scorpion > killers and got half a dozen hits, a couple with a photo of the band and > the rest with "no image available". They deleted the three 'user supplied' copies around hal

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

I agree that David did well, but I wonder whether we are fighting the right battle. I wouldn't want to defend that image as being nude but not erotic. Amazon don't seem to have the image up - I've just searched for scorpion killers and got half a dozen hits, a couple with a photo of the band an

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

Can I just say something, having just listened to the recording, i think David did a damn good job of holding his ground in the interview, and I was plesently suprised how sympathetic to our cause the interviewee seemed. Good on ya dave :)> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:48:49 +> From: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

> You are, of course, right. > That doesn't change, however, that this image is not illegal to view, it's > merely in a greyer legal area of "might be illegal". Which does nothing to > change the IWF's shameful overreach in blocking the article as well as the > image — and in doing such a cack-hand

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > As no jury has, to my knowledge, ever determined that this image meets > that > > test, then the image does not qualify as indecent under English law. At > > elast until some jury decides to the contrary. > > No, that doesn't work. If it only becom

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Theresa Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What do you need someone for? And when do you need them? To appear on Sky News on telly and talk about this. I'm leaving the office now, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASAP if you can do it. - d. ___ Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/8 Owen Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The legal definition of indecent, in this context, under English law, > appears to be "anything which and ordinary decent man or woman would find to > be shocking, disgusting, or revolting" (Knuller vs DPP, 1973). That sounds about right. > As no jury

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

What do you need someone for? And when do you need them? Theresa On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM, the wub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

The legal definition of indecent, in this context, under English law, appears to be "anything which and ordinary decent man or woman would find to be shocking, disgusting, or revolting" (Knuller vs DPP, 1973). As no jury has, to my knowledge, ever determined that this image meets that test, then th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >> actual clueful reporter at Sky! >> >> >> - d. >> Sorry, I would, but I have a project deadline tomorrow and have loads of work left

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an > > actual clueful reporter at Sky! > > > > > > - d. > > > Would of course

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an > > actual clueful reporter at Sky! > > > > > > - d. > > > Would of course

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >>> actual clueful reporter at Sky! >>> >>> >>> - d. >>> >> > > James F if his employer won't o

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

Sadly, a flight from Beijing is out of question. What about Gordon? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:17 + (GMT), Peter Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm afraid that I can't do it either. I'm not at my best anyway and I'm > getting enough stress from the JIDF cranki

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >> actual clueful reporter at Sky! >> >> >> - d. >> > James F if his employer won't object is the obvious candidate. -- geni _

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomor

In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think a better analogy would be paintings in galleries which > depict under > 18s, many of which could be considered "Images depicting erotic > posing with > no sexual activity". I am thinking of some of the paintings of > Caravaggio, almost any depiction of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm afraid that I can't do it either. I'm not at my best anyway and I'm getting enough stress from the JIDF cranking up their campaign against me on several fronts without getting involved in this business too. Peter

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an actual clueful reporter at Sky! > >> If it weren't for this stinking cold, I m

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

> I think a better analogy would be paintings in galleries which depict under > 18s, many of which could be considered "Images depicting erotic posing with > no sexual activity". I am thinking of some of the paintings of Caravaggio, > almost any depiction of Ganymede etc. An under 18 naked in an e

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward > > to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]]) > > I particularly liked the line "We're an educational cha

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Andrew Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an > actual clueful reporter at Sky

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an actual clueful reporter at Sky! > >> If it weren't for this stinking cold, I m

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >>> actual clueful reporter at Sky! > If it weren't for this stinking cold, I might have made the journey to > London, but I don't

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

Gregory Maxwell wrote: > It would be super-fantastic if someone could confirm that you can just > walk into a record store in the UK and buy it. There are stores here > that have it, I'm tempted to go get a picture of myself holding... and > start a campaign of other folks doing that. I'm not sure

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >> actual clueful reporter at Sky! If it weren't for this stinking cold, I might have made the journey to London, but I don't think I

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an >> actual clueful reporter at Sky! No way I can do it, I'm afraid. I will do the high street run this evening with camera and see if I

[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [ORG-discuss] ORG blog post on IWF

The Open Rights Group has, this morning, blogged about the issue; see the message from their open discussion list (below) for details. -- Forwarded message -- From: Glyn Wintle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2008/12/8 Subject: [ORG-discuss] ORG blog post on IWF To: Open Rights Group ope

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Still need someone. Alison definitely can't, unfortunately. We have an > actual clueful reporter at Sky! > > > - d. > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_U

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

I've just made an FOI request to the Met about any advice they might have given the IWF on this issue: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/advice_to_the_internet_watch_fou 2008/12/8 Andrew Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/12/8 Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Incidentally, if someone c

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Incidentally, if someone could make a few guesses as to whom they > would probably have consulted, I'd see FOI requests coming up here, to > those "law enforcement agencies" which provided the relevant guidance > on this. Only, of course, if this is

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward > to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]]) I particularly liked the line "We're an educational charity." - I think it was good that you that in, I sugge

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

Some information on extent, the page is additionally blocked on: * Be Pro (so the WMF's suggestion that "It does not affect people in the UK who are accessing the internet through non-residential means such as at their place of employment." is incorrect. It shows the same bare 404 that is shown on

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News interviewee needed for tonight 7pm London

If it was cardiff maybe but there is no way i can do london, my lectures dont finish till 5. > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:29:18 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News interviewee needed for tonight 7pm London> > I can't do it, I'm

[Wikimediauk-l] Sky News interviewee needed for tonight 7pm London

I can't do it, I'm doing Channel 4 *and* More4. Anyone? Please email me :-) - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] delay on the bank account

2008/12/8 Tom Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The Co-op are saying they can't open the bank account until we're approved > as an official chapter of WMF. Damn. We've been trying to make it clear from the start that we're independent, they shouldn't be requiring this... However, this may be a good t

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update

> As I said when this issue came up in one of the board meeting, we can't just > call the AGM the day after we get a bank account. There need to be time for > people to join after the bank account, and before the notice, so that they > can be a member and decide/time to run for the board, which nee

[Wikimediauk-l] delay on the bank account

The Co-op are saying they can't open the bank account until we're approved as an official chapter of WMF. I tried to convince them that we're an independent organisation and that if the worst came to the worst and we weren't approved we'd still continue on with out charitable work, but they didn't

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

Michael Bimmler wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Oldak Quill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Robertson [IWF spokeswoman] said that image _ a picture from one of the band's album covers _ was first flagged by an Internet user last week. The Internet Watch Foundation consulted with British law

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/7 Oldak Quill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/7 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Thanks, but I got in via a different route. Thing is I suspect that issue >>> will be catching many others too. This whole thing is a disaster sfaiac >>> for editors and readers alike. >> >> Indeed. There'

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> geni: > >>> Hmmp they stonewalled which is to be expected and did it fairly well. > >> but they claimed that they didn't filter Amazon because they didn't know >> about >> it (rather than because Amazon w

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > geni: >> Hmmp they stonewalled which is to be expected and did it fairly well. > but they claimed that they didn't filter Amazon because they didn't know about > it (rather than because Amazon would sue them). since they obviously do know > about it

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008/12/8 K. Peachey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If it has been posted to the discussion already i'm sorry, heres a link to > the discussion http://www.bathrobecabal.org/bbcinterview.mp3 Yeah, they pushed it to last in the programme. I didn't manage to work in the words "smells of hammers" or even "h

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Oldak Quill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "Robertson [IWF spokeswoman] said that image _ a picture from one of >> the band's album covers _ was first flagged by an Internet user last >> week. The Internet Watch Found

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Oldak Quill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Robertson [IWF spokeswoman] said that image _ a picture from one of > the band's album covers _ was first flagged by an Internet user last > week. The Internet Watch Foundation consulted with British law > enforcement before

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > geni: >> Hmmp they stonewalled which is to be expected and did it fairly well. > > but they claimed that they didn't filter Amazon because they didn't know about > it (rather than because Amazon would

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 geni: > Hmmp they stonewalled which is to be expected and did it fairly well. but they claimed that they didn't filter Amazon because they didn't know about it (rather than because Amazon would sue them). since they obviously do know about it now, it

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008/12/8 geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/7 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> It seems the IWF are getting so much flak they've put a front page >>> statement on their website: >>> http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm >> >> >> So who thinks