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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Or numerous other methods to avoid the blackout. I believe the same FA is going to run for 48 hours. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Alison M. Wheeler < wikime...@alisonwheeler.com> wrote: > > > From: "Gordon Joly" > > I am told that if you disable JavaScript you can

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> From: "Gordon Joly" > I am told that if you disable JavaScript you can see the light. Indeed. And what is more, the main page doesn't lead with the SOPA news (but does include a featured article, which I feel quite sad for as few will see it), likewise the [[Portal:Current events]] complete

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On 18 January 2012 12:20, Harry Burt wrote: > Okay, so http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27728 is now available, > the product of the earlier conversations on this list and onwiki. > Thoughts on linking to it in a completely voluntary manner from the blackout > notice? Time is of the esse

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Okay, so http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27728 is now available, the product of the earlier conversations on this list and onwiki. Thoughts on linking to it in a completely voluntary manner from the blackout notice? Time is of the essence, rather. -- Harry On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:40

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On 17/01/2012 22:58, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Gordon Joly" >> So who owns the Internet? Who has ultimate authority over DNS? > A very good question indeed ;-P > > And the answer, of course, is it depends on who you are talking to. Even > though it shouldn't

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Not too sure what the official action is but http://americancensorship.org/ suggests petitioning the State Department? Regards, Mark On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > > > What is the official UK call to action here? > > Email

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Alison M. Wheeler < wikime...@alisonwheeler.com> wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Gordon Joly" > > So who owns the Internet? Who has ultimate authority over DNS? > > A very good question indeed ;-P > > And the answer, of course, is it depends on w

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 17/01/2012 15:28, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: > > Also, given that even .UK .IT .NO and all the rest of the ccTLDs refer back > to the dozen of so root DNS servers, they too could be poisened under the > draft bill as it exists. So make no bone

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- Original Message - > From: "Gordon Joly" > So who owns the Internet? Who has ultimate authority over DNS? A very good question indeed ;-P And the answer, of course, is it depends on who you are talking to. Even though it shouldn't. And the people in one country disagree with the rest

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On 17/01/2012 15:28, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: Also, given that even .UK .IT .NO and all the rest of the ccTLDs refer back to the dozen of so root DNS servers, they too could be poisened under the draft bill as it exists. So make no bones about it, these proposals*will* affect just about every

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Okay, so, in any case, I think we're too late on this now. I have submitted a wording in line with FT2's, but there's no guarantee that it will be processed and made available to sign in anything like the timescales we need. It's a shame, but then, all that was at stake was a parliamentary debate

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > Personal opinion: The best place to discuss UK-specific text, including > for the proposed petition, would be on-wiki at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Proposed_Messages > since it would probably have to

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Hi all, Personal opinion: The best place to discuss UK-specific text, including for the proposed petition, would be on-wiki at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Proposed_Messages since it would probably have to be a community-driven action rather than a WMUK/WMF one, as wit

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Just to say that I asked on IRC and there is no technical issue with having a UK-only petition appeal appear on the page, if we can get a petition up and potentially get as much consensus for it as we can in the meantime. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Alison M. Wheele

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One thing to make clear when talking to anyone about this is that whilst SOPA/PIPA are proposals in the USA, they are *explicitly* targeted to "foreign" websites. And though the DNS aspect may have been delayed at present it is still in there and will be re-introduced at a later stage. This per

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On 17/01/2012 13:05, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 17 January 2012 12:51, Harry Burt wrote: >> I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: >> >> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 >> >> It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore >> worth

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Cool. Then I suggest someone with access to that list put it up [1]. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) [1] https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/new On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 January 2012 13:16, Harry Burt wrote: > > As of time of writing, the U.S.

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On 17 January 2012 13:16, Harry Burt wrote: > As of time of writing, the U.S. Congress is currently considering the issue > of whether to tighten internet policing laws with regard to digital rights > enforcement. Whilst the overall goal of these pieces of proposed legislation > (mostly notably th

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Fair point. As of time of writing, the U.S. Congress is currently considering the issue of whether to tighten internet policing laws with regard to digital rights enforcement. Whilst the overall goal of these pieces of proposed legislation (mostly notably those known as SOPA and PIPA) is not neces

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I have asked Richard to put the link on our blog on the grounds that it is third party but people can support if they choose. Quoting Harry Burt : > I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: > > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 > > It seems to be fairly str

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On 17 January 2012 12:51, Harry Burt wrote: > I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: > > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 > > It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore > worthy of our support if we can get geolocation going.

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I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore worthy of our support if we can get geolocation going. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:

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riginal Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: 17 January 2012 08:20 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout Do we have a list of just who people sh

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On 17 January 2012 12:29, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 January 2012 12:26, Harry Burt wrote: > >> Her Majesty's Government should voice its disapproval of any proposed >> American legislation that would limit the ability of British citizens to >> speak freely on the internet. > > > Sounds good :-D

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On 17 January 2012 12:26, Harry Burt wrote: > Her Majesty's Government should voice its disapproval of any proposed > American legislation that would limit the ability of British citizens to > speak freely on the internet. Sounds good :-D - d. ___

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM, David Gerard wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_State_for_Trade ? Visa, Mastercard, PayPal - all US companies. SOPA can switch British businesses off like a light. - d. That might be a bit much to ask for. On the other hand, I don't know how many

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On 17 January 2012 11:29, Michael Peel wrote: > I'm really not sure what we can do to help in the UK, though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_State_for_Trade ? Visa, Mastercard, PayPal - all US companies. SOPA can switch British businesses off like a light. - d.

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For the US, part of the plan is to get people to call their congress people and get them to oppose the legislation (and by having so many telephone calls, make it clear that this is a big issue). So the blackout isn't the only part of this, just the most publicly-visible part. I'm really not su

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On 17 January 2012 11:19, Tom Morris wrote: > On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: >> What is the official UK call to action here? >> Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > 1. Find an American friend. > 2. Shout at them until they write to their congressma

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Good question. In reality the black-out IS the protest. Phoning the US embassy or contacting our MPs not really going to have much of an impact is it? Quoting David Gerard : > On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > >> What is the official UK call to action here? >> Emailing the embassy?

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On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > What is the official UK call to action here? > > Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > 1. Find an American friend. 2. Shout at them until they write to their congressman/senator. -- Tom Morris

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On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > What is the official UK call to action here? > Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > Or did I miss something else entirely? I'm wondering too ... we need to know ASAP. - d.

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What is the official UK call to action here? Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? Or did I miss something else entirely? -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jon Davies wrote: > Nicely put. Luckily we are all singing from the same song she

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Nicely put. Luckily we are all singing from the same song sheet. Are you coming in? A bit hectic here. Quoting Richard Symonds : > All, > > > > Just a followup email to let you know that the English Wikipedia community > have decided on an action for the English Wikipedia with regard to the SOPA

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... and reading the talk page I see that Simple will be up and running despite the banner running on the site. On 17 January 2012 09:51, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 17/01/2012 02:19, Tom Morris wrote: > > And those of you who are entering panic mode about not being able to > > edit the wiki for 24 h

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On 17/01/2012 02:19, Tom Morris wrote: > And those of you who are entering panic mode about not being able to > edit the wiki for 24 hours, why not take it as an opportunity to try > editing one of the sister projects? It's looking like the sister > projects are going to remain online. > > Come wri

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Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia UK's office is on 020 7065 0990 with press enquiries at pr...@wikimedia.org.uk. On 17 January 2012 08:20, David Gerard wrote: > Do we have a list of just who people should contact in the UK? People > will ask. (I still don't a

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Do we have a list of just who people should contact in the UK? People will ask. (I still don't actually know.) Have we got even slightly geolocated notices that can have this in them? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http

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And those of you who are entering panic mode about not being able to edit the wiki for 24 hours, why not take it as an opportunity to try editing one of the sister projects? It's looking like the sister projects are going to remain online. Come write something for Wikinews! ;-) -- Tom Morris

[Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

All, Just a followup email to let you know that the English Wikipedia community have decided on an action for the English Wikipedia with regard to the SOPA and PROTECT acts. The English Wikipedia will be blacked out, worldwide, from 5am GMT on 18 January. The blackout will last for roughly 24 h