Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >You forget that there are loads of MediaWiki installations > outside the WMF as well.  REALLY, the inability of people to do this geek > thing is detrimental to the adoption of MediaWiki. You think? What's another wiki that even has user-pro

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and WebStore extension

2009-07-16 Thread Alex Bernier
Hello, The solution is to use a rewrite rule in Apache. It's now documented here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebStore Regards, Alex On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 07:17:14PM +0200, Alex Bernier wrote: > Hello, > > I need to use Proofreadpage extension. To handle images, I have installed

[Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, I am proofreading Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar [1] on the English Wikisource. It uses intricate formatting and for proper display of Biblical Hebrew it needs a font which isn't installed on most people's computers. Fortunately, this font, called Ezra SIL SR, is Free Software, released under the O

[Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread dan nessett
I have never been a QA engineer. However, it doesn't require great experience to see that the MW software development process is broken. I provide the following comments not in a destructive spirit. The success of the MW software is obvious. However, in my view unless the development process in

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Rosenthal
Please note that there are some parser tests which in theory should pass but never did in any version (thus they were not implemented in the software). On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, dan nessett wrote: > > I have never been a QA engineer. However, it doesn't require great experience > to see th

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread dan nessett
I understand. This was pointed out in a previous thread (see "Is this the right list to ask questions about parserTests"). --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Rosenthal wrote: > From: Michael Rosenthal > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA > To: "Wikimedia developers" > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 8

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > I am proofreading Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar [1] on the English Wikisource. > > It uses intricate formatting and for proper display of Biblical Hebrew it > needs a font which isn't installed on most people's computers. Fortunately, > this font, called Ezra SIL SR, is Free So

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
dan nessett wrote: > I understand. This was pointed out in a previous thread (see "Is this > the right list to ask questions about parserTests"). Dan, I certainly can say it'd be great to extend the parser test suite with a "known to fail" switch we can add to the tests which are known to fail.

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Trevor Parscal
At the developer's conference in Berlin this past spring, the void that is current our testing procedures was a common topic of conversation. Put simply, QA is not exciting work for most people and our volunteer-oriented development process tends to result in very little or often no automated Q

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Chad
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: > At the developer's conference in Berlin this past spring, the void that > is current our testing procedures was a common topic of conversation. > > Put simply, QA is not exciting work for most people and our > volunteer-oriented development

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread dan nessett
Sure. I'll give it a try. It would be a good way to learn more about the code base. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Brion Vibber wrote: > From: Brion Vibber > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA > To: "Wikimedia developers" > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:40 AM > dan nessett wrote: > > I understand. Thi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> I am proofreading Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar [1] on the English Wikisource. >> >> It uses intricate formatting and for proper display of Biblical Hebrew it >> needs a font which isn't installed on most people's computers

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla mailer-daemon address changed

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
Just a quick note -- Mail from Bugzilla is now being sent from the address bugzilla-dae...@wikimedia.org instead of bugzilla-dae...@mail.wikimedia.org to (hopefully) play nicer with spam filters and such. You may need to update your local filters if you're checking this exact address to put bu

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
dan nessett wrote: > Sure. I'll give it a try. It would be a good way to learn more about the code > base. Woohoo! -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > And of course there's the Internet Explorer question. :) > > IE currently only supports the EOT "embedded" font format, and won't > accept regular TrueType or OpenType font files. If there are free > software tools for creating an EOT from a T

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > ttf2eot should work: > > http://code.google.com/p/ttf2eot/ > > EOT is a pretty trivial wrapper, with nothing patented unless you use > MTX compression (which you don't have to). Awesome! *bookmarking* -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mai

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Awesome! *bookmarking* You could have just Googled "TTF to EOT converter" like I did. :P ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> Awesome! *bookmarking* > > You could have just Googled "TTF to EOT converter" like I did. :P *sob* In my defense, last time I tried that I didn't find that project. ;) -- brion __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 22:25, Brion Vibber wrote: > > Aryeh Gregor wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > >> Awesome! *bookmarking* > > > > You could have just Googled "TTF to EOT converter" like I did.  :P > > *sob* > > In my defense, last time I tried that I didn't fi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > ... Does this mean that it is in the TODO list? Or should i open a bug about > it? > > I am not a MW expert, but all in all it doesn't sound terribly complicated. It sounds like it would require a significant amount of work. By all means

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Chad
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: >> ... Does this mean that it is in the TODO list? Or should i open a bug about >> it? >> >> I am not a MW expert, but all in all it doesn't sound terribly complicated. > > It sounds l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Chad wrote: > Bug 1281 related? Not really. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:08, Chad wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Aryeh > Gregor wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni >> wrote: >>> ... Does this mean that it is in the TODO list? Or should i open a bug >>> about it? >>> >>> I am not a MW expert, but all in all i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Downloadable fonts

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Bug 2361 is very closely related, but it is only about the Tamil > Wikipedia. It should be available everywhere. I've generalized the bug report (maybe I should have opened a new one instead, oh well) and commented. Reproducing comment her

Re: [Wikitech-l] wmf-deployment branch

2009-07-16 Thread Brion Vibber
Now running all sites from the wmf-deployment branch. Had some brief glitches with the scripts that generate robots.txt and the www.wikipedia.org & similar portal pages, as well as the style sheets directory being missing for a couple minutes due to a botched rsync. :) Otherwise seems smooth so

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Brion Vibber wrote: >> I understand. This was pointed out in a previous thread (see "Is this >> the right list to ask questions about parserTests"). > Dan, I certainly can say it'd be great to extend the parser test suite > with a "known to fail" switch we can add to the tests which are known to

[Wikitech-l] database schema error

2009-07-16 Thread dan nessett
I tried to run parserTests on the latest version in Trunk (r53382). However, I get the following error: A database error has occurred Query: SELECT lc_value FROM `mw_l10n_cache` WHERE lc_lang = 'en' AND lc_key = 'deps' LIMIT 1 Function: LCStore_DB::get Error: 1146 Table 'wikidb.mw_l10n_ca

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] flagged revisions

2009-07-16 Thread private musings
Hi all, It's been almost a month since the last post in this 'flagged revisions' thread (sincere apologies if I've failed to find discussion which has no doubt been occurring on lists and wikis everywhere!) - I wanted to ask for an update from the folk at the coalface working on getting flagged re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-07-16 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
Well, the Sun patch didn't hold us. So we are going to do a gradual move of directories, some data, and the actual thumbnail regeneration over to another server, ms4. How much data we move depends on how fast ms1 can push it over to ms4, currently very slow indeed. Even removing files on ms1 is

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > Perl's take on TAP provides "TODO" blocks for that purpose > (and reports unexpected successes should they occur :-)); > doesn't have PHP (PHPUnit?) something similar? We don't use any standard testing framework. The parser tests were writ

Re: [Wikitech-l] database schema error

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM, dan nessett wrote: > I tried to run parserTests on the latest version in Trunk (r53382). However, > I get the following error: > > A database error has occurred > Query: SELECT  lc_value  FROM `mw_l10n_cache`  WHERE lc_lang = 'en' AND > lc_key = 'deps'  LIMIT 1 >

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW QA

2009-07-16 Thread Chad
There are the things in test/ and t/, but they're really outdated and horribly maintained (and some don't even work). -Chad On Jul 16, 2009 8:18 PM, "Aryeh Gregor" > wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > Perl's take on TAP... We don't use any standard testing framework

Re: [Wikitech-l] database schema error

2009-07-16 Thread dan nessett
Thanks. Just so I completely understand, update.php will not affect the use of the underlying database by my personal wiki installation, which uses 1.14 (as opposed to the test wikis I will work on during development), right? --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > From: Aryeh Gregor > Su

[Wikitech-l] Corrupt images

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
I understand there was some issue with image generation, but I'm still seeing a corrupt image in the main box here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echuca,_Victoria The actual image itself is ok: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Echuca_docks_Stevage.jpg Is there a hack to get the image regenerated?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt images

2009-07-16 Thread K. Peachey
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I understand there was some issue with image generation, but I'm still > seeing a corrupt image in the main box here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echuca,_Victoria > > The actual image itself is ok: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Echuc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt images

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > The image thumbnailing systems are currently offline during a server > move, that is why the image isn't being displayed. So thumbnails that were already generated survive, but no new ones are generated? Cool. Steve __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-07-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Ariel T. Glenn : > Well, the Sun patch didn't hold us.  So we are going to do a gradual > move of directories, some data, and the actual thumbnail regeneration > over to another server, ms4.  How much data we move depends on how fast > ms1 can push it over to ms4, currently very slow ind

Re: [Wikitech-l] database schema error

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, dan nessett wrote: > Thanks. Just so I completely understand, update.php will not affect the use > of the underlying database by my personal wiki installation, which uses 1.14 > (as opposed to the test wikis I will work on during development), right? It will use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Honestly, a reboot will be quicker. Why would a reboot help? The system would still have too little disk space (if that's what's actually causing the problem). ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-07-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Aryeh Gregor : > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> Honestly, a reboot will be quicker. > Why would a reboot help?  The system would still have too little disk > space (if that's what's actually causing the problem). When you beat the crap out of Solaris, it need

Re: [Wikitech-l] wmf-deployment branch

2009-07-16 Thread Tisza Gergő
Brion Vibber wikimedia.org> writes: > Since we seem to routinely have our deployment linger a bit behind trunk > but still need to make updates on it, I've gone ahead and created a > branch with out live versions of MediaWiki & extensions on it: > > http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/b