[Wikitech-l] Wikidata review status

2012-09-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, here's our weekly mail on core related stuff for Wikidata. Thanks to everyone giving feedback and reviews, most notably Chris, Chad, Tim, Matmarex, DJ, and Krinkle! * the ContentHandler branch is being reviewed to land in Core next week, as Rob said. There is a separate thread on that.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Learning Git/Gerrit? - 3 Oct 2012 17:30 UTC

2012-09-28 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 27/09/12 23:35, Marcin Cieslak a écrit : save the date: 3 October 2012, 17:30 UTC: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Git%2BGerrit+with+saper+liveiso=20121003T1730ah=3 In case you want to participate and haven't signed up yet, please sign up here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Chad
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: - Extensions should probably have some sort of manifest file. What format should it be in and what information should it contain? I think Chad (^demon) was the the one focusing on this area. We should ask

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Breaking changes in the Wikidata API

2012-09-28 Thread John Erling Blad
I know the bot-people loves changes, so here is a bit more! The token handling through use of a special url-argument gettoken and the special itemtoken has died in flames. Use edittoken from actione=tokens (http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/w/api.php?action=tokenstype=editformat=jsonfm) and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 28/09/12 03:47, Mark A. Hershberger a écrit : snip The problem, though, is that there is no way to install, use, or update extensions apart from doing it by hand. Requiring the installation of multiple modules by hand isn't going to lead to a thriving, modular ecosystem. We need a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolserver is not opening for GU:WP

2012-09-28 Thread Harsh Kothari
when it will start working?? Thanks Harsh On 28-Sep-2012, at 12:31 AM, John wrote: ccing both lists, dab just rebooted s3 which is probably the cause On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Sep 27, 2012 12:19 PM, Harsh Kothari harshkothari...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolserver is not opening for GU:WP

2012-09-28 Thread John
Im ccing Tparis on this, it should be running without issue On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Harsh Kothari harshkothari...@gmail.com wrote: when it will start working?? Thanks Harsh On 28-Sep-2012, at 12:31 AM, John wrote: ccing both lists, dab just rebooted s3 which is probably the cause

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 September 2012 02:47, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: The problem, though, is that there is no way to install, use, or update extensions apart from doing it by hand. Requiring the installation of multiple modules by hand isn't going to lead to a thriving, modular

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Breaking changes in the Wikidata API

2012-09-28 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: The token handling through use of a special url-argument gettoken and the special itemtoken has died in flames. Use edittoken from actione=tokens

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Derric Atzrott
After the ones about sending email and Common Lisp, we can add: Every app also expands until it contains a sketchy rewrite of apt-get. c.f. Perl, PHP, Ruby, Python, WordPress ... One thing to possibly think about: compatibility of any new system with Linux distro packaging mechanisms, like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Derric Atzrott
After the ones about sending email and Common Lisp, we can add: Every app also expands until it contains a sketchy rewrite of apt-get. c.f. Perl, PHP, Ruby, Python, WordPress ... One thing to possibly think about: compatibility of any new system with Linux distro packaging mechanisms, like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
I made it up at work a few weeks ago :-) We were discussing the questionable maintainability of apps and languages that insist on handrolling their own dependency management, particularly when they do it in a way that doesn't match how distros do it. On 28 September 2012 15:23, Derric Atzrott

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 September 2012 15:25, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Where is that quote from? It is so incredibly true. Sorry all. I meant to send that to just him. And then I failed to notice I was sending to the list too. apt-get purge clue - d.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] Toolserver is not opening for GU:WP

2012-09-28 Thread Alchimista
The tool is working for me: https://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Alchimistalang=guwiki=wikipedia and the user you've pointed also: https://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Harsh4101991lang=guwiki=wikipedia Despite that, seems that sometimes it's quite low, for once it

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] Toolserver is not opening for GU:WP

2012-09-28 Thread Harsh Kothari
Yeah This is tool is working now.. But replication tag is high.. Caution: Replication lag is high, changes newer than 3 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes, 23 seconds may not be shown. Thanks Harsh On 28-Sep-2012, at 8:07 PM, Alchimista wrote: The tool is working for me:

[Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Chris McMahon
When I was hired as QA Lead almost seven months ago, WMF lacked a test environment where * code was routinely deployed ahead of production * the test environment emulated the production environment closely * aspects of the test environment (config, permissions, etc.) could be easily and reliably

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Chris McMahon
http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard I am a bad editor. -Chris On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: When I was hired as QA Lead almost seven months ago, WMF lacked a test environment where * code was routinely deployed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity

2012-09-28 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/28/2012 09:22 AM, Antoine Musso wrote: I'm talking about Composer (http://getcomposer.org/). My past experiment is on the wiki at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Composer Awesome! I do agree with David Gerard's assessment, though. We need to make sure that whatever we use is going

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 September 2012 17:01, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I do agree with David Gerard's assessment, though. We need to make sure that whatever we use is going to work with package management tools that Debian and Redhat and the like already use. The other reason is, of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity

2012-09-28 Thread Derric Atzrott
I do agree with David Gerard's assessment, though. We need to make sure that whatever we use is going to work with package management tools that Debian and Redhat and the like already use. The other reason is, of course, making the distro versions of MediaWiki not suck. A great place to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/28/2012 01:11 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote: In the end it should be both. A web-based system to install extensions for normal users. And cli scripts to install extensions for users maintaining piles of wikis. Agreed. I think Chad (^demon) was the the one focusing on this area. We should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 04:52:40 -0700, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: - Extensions should probably have some sort of manifest file. What format should it be in and what information should it contain? I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Chad
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I think Chad (^demon) was the the one focusing on this area. We should ask him what his plans were. Working code great plans. Chad has replied. I think he would agree that we don't think we need to hold back

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity

2012-09-28 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/28/2012 12:15 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote: With the exception of phpMyAdmin, I don't think I've ever seen a piece of PHP software that you could really just apt-get and have easily installed. So this is definitely a worthy goal to pursue. I too would love it if I could set up a simple

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 09/28/2012 12:29 PM, Chad wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I think Chad (^demon) was the the one focusing on this area. We should ask him what his plans were. Working code great plans. Chad has replied. I think he would agree that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
Well in that case maybe we can get some sort of official design document going so that we're planning rather than plinning. :P *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:40

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Arthur Richards
Chris, this sounds really cool. Can you point us to some specs about how the test environment is set up (what is the architecture like, what services are running, etc)? How closely does it emulate the production environment? Does the beta labs environment provide load balanced squid/varnish

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: When I was hired as QA Lead almost seven months ago, WMF lacked a test environment where * code was routinely deployed ahead of production * the test environment emulated the production environment closely * aspects

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Chris McMahon
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Chris, this sounds really cool. Can you point us to some specs about how the test environment is set up (what is the architecture like, what services are running, etc)? How closely does it emulate the production

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Semediawiki-user] Colours of the sun (Was: [SMW-devel] Semantic mediawiki and map data)

2012-09-28 Thread Scott MacLeod
Dear Markus, Yury, Semantic MediaWikians, and Wikitechians, Thanks for your feedback about Semantic mediawiki and map data coordinate-wise, in terms of colors: SMW does not have a special datatype for representing colours. You can encode wavelengths as numbers. Sound data is not supported, nor

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Arthur Richards
This is super awesome. This is something that could be useful for MobileFrontend, although I suspect there will need to be some additional configuration work to mimic how mobile requests get handled on the cluster. I'll ping Antoine :) On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Chris McMahon

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Chris McMahon
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is super awesome. This is something that could be useful for MobileFrontend, although I suspect there will need to be some additional configuration work to mimic how mobile requests get handled on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is super awesome. This is something that could be useful for MobileFrontend, although I suspect there will need to be some

[Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
I'm planning to deploy Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for the wikimedia.org domain on Weds October 5. SPF is a framework for validating outgoing mail, which gives the receiving side useful information for spam filtering. The main goal is to cause spoofed @wikimedia.org mail to be correctly

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:00:08 -0700, Jeff Green jgr...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm planning to deploy Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for the wikimedia.org domain on Weds October 5. SPF is a framework for validating outgoing mail, which gives the receiving side useful information for spam

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
You should also add an SPF record in addition to a TXT record, as recommended by RFC 4408. The format is the same. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel

Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment

2012-09-28 Thread Chris McMahon
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: 1. How can I get access to this environment, so I can fiddle with it, too (or is this done through test puppet changes or something? Depends on what you mean by 'access' and 'fiddle'. Beta labs is

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:00:08 -0700, Jeff Green jgr...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm planning to deploy Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for the wikimedia.org domain on Weds October 5. SPF is a framework for validating outgoing mail, which gives the

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
Good point--thanks! jg On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Tyler Romeo wrote: You should also add an SPF record in addition to a TXT record, as recommended by RFC 4408. The format is the same. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com |

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dependency management, MediaWiki and modularity (was Re: New extension: Diff)

2012-09-28 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/28/2012 01:05 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: Well in that case maybe we can get some sort of official design document going so that we're planning rather than plinning. :P I'll again point to the work that Antoine has done. I haven't looked at it yet (and I won't have time to do that today), but

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:00:08AM -0700, Jeff Green wrote: The change should not be noticeable, but the most likely problem would be legitimate @wikimedia.org mail being treated as spam. If you hear of this happening please let me know. Anyone who sends all mail marked as from[1] their

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Eventually we'll probably bump ?all to a stricter ~all aka SoftFail, which tells the receiving side that only mail coming from the listed subnets is valid. Most ISPs will route 'other' mail to a spam folder based on SoftFail. I guess this means that people will no longer be able to successfully

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0700, Brad Jorsch b-jor...@alum.northwestern.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:00:08AM -0700, Jeff Green wrote: The change should not be noticeable, but the most likely problem would be legitimate @wikimedia.org mail being treated as spam. If you hear of

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0700, Brad Jorsch b-jor...@alum.northwestern.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:00:08AM -0700, Jeff Green wrote: The change should not be noticeable, but the most likely problem would be legitimate @wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/3

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
Correction . . . Wednesday 10/3! (sometimes I still think it's 2011) jg On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Jeff Green wrote: I'm planning to deploy Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for the wikimedia.org domain on Weds October 5. SPF is a framework for validating outgoing mail, which gives the receiving side

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki community metrics

2012-09-28 Thread Quim Gil
Hi there, Asking for a task to volunteer, Sumana encouraged me to look at the topic of community metrics. She pointed to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Pentaho as a starting point. After a first look at Pentaho and what some colleagues at the MeeGo project did with it [1], I searched

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:47:20 -0700, Jeff Green jgr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0700, Brad Jorsch b-jor...@alum.northwestern.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:00:08AM -0700, Jeff Green wrote: The change should

Re: [Wikitech-l] SPF (email spoof prevention feature) test-rollout Weds 10/5

2012-09-28 Thread Jeff Green
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:47:20 -0700, Jeff Green jgr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0700, Brad Jorsch b-jor...@alum.northwestern.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:00:08AM

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we kill DBO_TRX? It seems evil!

2012-09-28 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Brad Jorsch b-jor...@alum.northwestern.edu wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:40:13PM +, Marcin Cieslak wrote: From the PostgreSQL side I see one problem with nesting - we are already using savepoints to emulate MySQL's INSERT IGNORE and friends.\ It might be difficult to abuse that

[Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Gries
RE: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-launches-beta-of-Persona-identity-system-1719634.html (English) RE: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Einheitliches-Web-Login-Mozilla-veroeffenlicht-Beta-von-Persona-1719623.html (German) RE: https://github.com/mozilla/browserid I suggest,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:33:44 -0700, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: RE: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-launches-beta-of-Persona-identity-system-1719634.html (English) RE:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Gries
BrowserID/Persona currently requires JavaScript to function. So it really doesn't fit the kind of thing that we support as a standard way to login. I don't think it's a very good use of WMF's funding. Is this the begin of a clash of civilisations between WMF and MediaWiki ?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Mark Holmquist
Is this the begin of a clash of civilisations between WMF and MediaWiki ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki_Foundation is the proper place to discuss that more, if you'd like to. -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation mtrac...@member.fsf.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 28.09.2012 23:52, schrieb Mark Holmquist: Is this the begin of a clash of civilisations between WMF and MediaWiki ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki_Foundation is the proper place to discuss that more, if you'd like to. No

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Mark Holmquist
What use does this have to WMF? I think we make a lot of cool features that require JavaScript. And yes, it's not universally usable, but it's helpful to spend time on those things, because while they may not make Lynx [0] users happier, they'll probably make things easier for, e.g., people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Chad
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: BrowserID/Persona currently requires JavaScript to function. So it really doesn't fit the kind of thing that we support as a standard way to login. I don't think it's a very good use of WMF's funding. Is this the begin of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 29.09.2012 00:03, schrieb Chad: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: BrowserID/Persona currently requires JavaScript to function. So it really doesn't fit the kind of thing that we support as a standard way to login. I don't think it's a very good use of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:57:51 -0700, Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org wrote: What use does this have to WMF? I think we make a lot of cool features that require JavaScript. And yes, it's not universally usable, but it's helpful to spend time on those things, because while they may

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTMLMultiSelectField as select multiple=multiple/

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 25 May 2012 09:11:20 -0700, Daniel Werner daniel.wer...@wikimedia.de wrote: Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:49:57 +0200 From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] HTMLMultiSelectField as select multiple=multiple/ Message-ID:

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 25 May 2012 22:27:20 -0700, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Fabian, you have found one of my old problems. There is a request on Bugzilla to store bot edits in a table other than recent changes in order to be able to sort them out of page histories. As the others wrote, this is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Mark Holmquist
I'm fine with features using JS. It's just important that the feature is either an additive feature that is not necessary for use or it has a way to work without JS. In this case we're talking about login. If you disable JS... you can't even log into your own user account. And disabling JS is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Steven Walling
On Sep 28, 2012 8:40 PM, Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org wrote: I'm fine with features using JS. It's just important that the feature is either an additive feature that is not necessary for use or it has a way to work without JS. In this case we're talking about login. If you disable

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal Extension:Browserid (Mozilla Persona) - open source

2012-09-28 Thread Jon Robson
What Steven said. On Sep 28, 2012 8:57 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 28, 2012 8:40 PM, Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org wrote: I'm fine with features using JS. It's just important that the feature is either an additive feature that is not necessary for use

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-09-28 Thread Krinkle
There is 3 different bot thingies you should know about, I'll briefly describe them each: == The bot user right: This is the right that grants the user the ability to perform an edit with a bot flag. Facts: * Not all users with this right are bots. * The flag can be toggled on a per-edit basis.

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTMLMultiSelectField as select multiple=multiple/

2012-09-28 Thread Krinkle
On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:51 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 09:11:20 -0700, Daniel Werner daniel.wer...@wikimedia.de wrote: Alright, just submitted this for review to gerrit: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8924/ [..] Yes, multiselect is a