Re: [Wikitech-l] Killing 1.XXwmfYY branches -- another idea?

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/09/13 00:46, Chad a écrit : What's actually the problem with expanding branches? To me at least, it makes it harder to see what's actually deployed at a given time. Try `git branch -r` on core. We're at 86 branches now...that's 172 if you've got two remotes. It's only going to get

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki-Vagrant: new features

2013-09-26 Thread Željko Filipin
Hi Ori, Is there a reason for having Guest Additions Version 4.1.12 in the VM instead of 4.2? $ vagrant up (...) [default] VM booted and ready for use! [default] The guest additions on this VM do not match the installed version of VirtualBox! In most cases this is fine, but in rare cases it can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: afch licensing question

2013-09-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
CC-BY-SA/GFDL is in the same spirit as GPL, which is an obviously acceptable license for WMF (since MediaWiki is written in it). Can you explain the need to relicense it under MIT? 2013/9/26 Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org Forwarding, with permission. For background the AFC Helper

[Wikitech-l] Job posting: frontend dev (JavaScript) at Wikimedia Deutschland

2013-09-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya folks :) Wikimedia Deutschland is looking for a software developer to work on all kinds of frontend-related things on exciting projects like Wikidata in a very cool team. If you're currently looking for a job and have the necessary skills please apply. You can find details at

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki-Vagrant: new features

2013-09-26 Thread Ori Livneh
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Željko Filipin zfili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi Ori, Is there a reason for having Guest Additions Version 4.1.12 in the VM instead of 4.2? It's what Canonical's Vagrant image provides, and it's because that's the version that is packaged for Precise.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 122, Issue 65

2013-09-26 Thread Mr. Donald J. Fortier II
A little additional information on topic 1 -- The pull request including the changes that this contributor to the script made can be viewed at https://github.com/WPAFC/afch/pull/54/files if it is of any interest.  Thanks. From:

[Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, I noticed that there is a high amount of suspicious edits that may be vandalism but were never reverted because people who were dealing with vandals (using some automated tool) in that moment weren't able to decide if it was vandalism or wasn't. For example some smart changes to statistical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Arcane 21
That idea sounds like something already that could be done by the Flagged Revs extension. Given that many of those suspicious edits could be extremely subtle, like minor changes to mathematical equations and statistics, articles with lots of potential for those types of subtle vandal edits

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, That makes sense, but I don't think this is going to happen. Flagged Revs were never really popular on english wikipedia and this is a real problem that should be solved somehow. These edits were always reviewed by people who are already using huggle or twinkle, this change couldn't make it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed release timeline

2013-09-26 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 21:48 -0400, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: According to the Version lifecycle[1], MediaWiki 1.22 is slated for release on November 30th, at the very latest. In that vein, we've come up with a timeline for the release[2]. If we use this timeline and shoot for the latest

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 122, Issue 65

2013-09-26 Thread Strainu
IANAL, but you might want to take a look at how the vlc people handled this kind of problems - i remember a huge rewrite effort from their part, but no link on hand, sorry. Strainu Mr. Donald J. Fortier II technical...@yahoo.com a scris: A little additional information on topic 1 -- The pull

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 122, Issue 65

2013-09-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I made the mistake of looking at it, and now can no longer provide a clean room implementation. If it is just the one jQuery commit, reverting it should probably suffice. On Sep 26, 2013 5:22 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: IANAL, but you might want to take a look at how the vlc people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Chris Steipp
Hi Petr, I can see the value. Although I'm not entirely sure how you were planning on identifying these edits-- are you thinking all our current tools would have another classification (like more review needed), and submit them? Or would these be identified by another, new bot? On Thu, Sep

Re: [Wikitech-l] Killing 1.XXwmfYY branches -- another idea?

2013-09-26 Thread Chad
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 26/09/13 00:46, Chad a écrit : What's actually the problem with expanding branches? To me at least, it makes it harder to see what's actually deployed at a given time. Try `git branch -r` on core. We're at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
Yes, I mean this identification. The tools would have button like needs review by expert which would have similar effect like skip but the edit would be enqueued somewhere so that experts could review it later and revert in case if it wasn't correct. Only task what would need to be done by a bot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This queue already exists: it's the absolute complement of [[Help:patrolled edit|]]s. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edit Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
But this works the other way, every edit is marked as suspicious while users can flag these that appear to be OK. What I am talking about is the other way. Vandal fighters would flag these edits that look weird to them and experts would review only those edits, not all of them. On Thu, Sep 26,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
That's a problem in the client, not in MediaWiki. To implement that with current code, you can patrol everything that is not suspicious and you'll get what you describe; if your patrolling bot is error-prone you may hypothetically need an unpatrol feature, but then just fix the bot. Nemo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
No I wouldn't. The queue would start getting filled up by good edits in case everyone who uses huggle would disconnect or stopped using it. The current system as it is clearly isn't sufficient for this. We need to cherry-pick the bad edits, not good edits. Current system allows only to flag good

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Petr Bena
I am also not talking about mediawiki at all. This evidence of edits that needs further review could be stored off-wiki, for example on wikimedia labs using some universal interface that all antivandalism tools can use On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: No I

Re: [Wikitech-l] AbuseFilter error codes and MobileFrontend

2013-09-26 Thread Juliusz Gonera
On 09/25/2013 12:17 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: I've just checked on my local instance and it seems that this patch does not change much for the MobileFrontend. As I stated in the first message, we need to distinguish between warnings and disallowed edits because they require different UI

[Wikitech-l] A message for all everyone on the Wikitech mailing list

2013-09-26 Thread Arcane 21
Sumana Hariharesw​ara recently provided me assistance with some code I wanted to write and invited me to join the wikitech mailing list, and she also suggested I share my response to her with the rest of the list subscribers, which I have reproduced (with some mild alterations) below: Thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Tim Starling
On 26/09/13 23:06, Petr Bena wrote: Hi, I noticed that there is a high amount of suspicious edits that may be vandalism but were never reverted because people who were dealing with vandals (using some automated tool) in that moment weren't able to decide if it was vandalism or wasn't. For

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: I used to just revert them automatically when such changes appeared on my watchlist. If someone changes the population of Denmark or the formation enthalpy of carbon tetrachloride, without providing any reference or any suggestion that it is a revert, the chances that the new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Much of the content on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia wikis comes from non-vested contributors. That is, many, many helpful additions and corrections come from people who will make only a few edits in their lifetime. While I