[Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Alex Brollo
Users are very confused and worried any time a new version of wiki software is launched and tested, and some major or minor bug comes invariably out. A clear message using central sitenotice, with links to doc pages listing the changes at different levels of detail and to their talk pages to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Users are very confused and worried any time a new version of wiki software is launched and tested, and some major or minor bug comes invariably out. A clear message using central sitenotice, with links to doc pages

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, What about subscribing to this list instead? I think that users who want to see updates, should use relevant information channels, rather than forcing everyone to see notices they may not be interested in. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Users are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
I disagree with Alex, usually people don't give a damn about new deployments. Just geeks and technical people (poeple who work on templates, bots, etc.) care about these stuff Best On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What about subscribing to this list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Petr Bena
I disagree that sitenotices are stupid or disruptive. It's a good way to inform users about really important stuff, which unfortunatelly is sometimes misused for something irrelevant. However this way everyone can be informed when needed and that's good. Using this for update information is, of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 05.12.2013. 11:37, Petr Bena wrote: I disagree that sitenotices are stupid or disruptive. It's a good way to inform users about really important stuff, which unfortunatelly is sometimes misused for something irrelevant. However this way everyone can be informed when needed and that's good.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 11:28 +0100, Alex Brollo wrote: Users are very confused and worried any time a new version of wiki software is launched and tested, and some major or minor bug comes invariably out. So a constant Be confused and worried, every Thursday! site notice on Wikipedias (Tuesday

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Sitenotice would be an exaggeration. Google and Facebook and millions of other sites update their software, probably even more frequently than we do, and without any big notifications to all users every week. People who consider themselves capable of testing new features should just sign up to

[Wikitech-l] Uninstalling hooks for tests?

2013-12-05 Thread Marcin Cieslak
I am not very happy about this but we came to the case where it might be useful to explicitly uninstall some hook(s) for out unit tests. You might want to checkout MediaWikiTestCase::uninstallHook https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/99349/ I am not happy about blurring differences between unit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 05/12/13 11:28, Alex Brollo a écrit : Users are very confused and worried any time a new version of wiki software is launched and tested, and some major or minor bug comes invariably out. A clear message using central sitenotice, with links to doc pages listing the changes at different

Re: [Wikitech-l] Uninstalling hooks for tests?

2013-12-05 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 05/12/13 15:59, Antoine Musso a écrit : There is a GetHumanTimestamp() that let you override the method behaviour which is used by the cldr extension. Was referring to GetHumanTimestamp *hook*. Sorry. -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Uninstalling hooks for tests?

2013-12-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Yes, I needed to turn off visual editor because it was altering the section header 'edit' text which was causing parser tests to fail. I fixed it like this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84436 --scott ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you subscribe to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News , which is an also weekly newsletter summarising new features and important fixed bugs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Risker
On 5 December 2013 13:08, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you subscribe to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News , which is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Risker date=2013-12-05 time=13:55:42 -0500 On 5 December 2013 13:08, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Thomas Gries
The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you subscribe to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News , I suggest that MediaWiki uses Twitter to announce new MediaWiki versions like -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Quim Gil
On 12/05/2013 10:08 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I suggest you subscribe to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News , which is an also weekly newsletter summarising new features and important fixed bugs every week, as well as providing links to the detailed change logs. Tech News, yeah! I

[Wikitech-l] Redirecting obsolete mobile. and wap. domains

2013-12-05 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
This morning Faidon has deployed a patchhttps://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/99394/1/templates/varnish/mobile-frontend.inc.vcl.erbto redirect wap.and mobile. subdomains (see also this patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/98058 for the apache side handling), but later due to some cencerns the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Redirecting obsolete mobile. and wap. domains

2013-12-05 Thread Yuvi Panda
From the apps team: We don't use either of those, so don't worry about the apps when killing them :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Redirecting obsolete mobile. and wap. domains

2013-12-05 Thread Arthur Richards
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This morning Faidon has deployed a patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/99394/1/templates/varnish/mobile-frontend.inc.vcl.erb to redirect wap.and mobile. subdomains (see also this patch

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Brian Wolff
On 12/5/13, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 December 2013 13:08, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you subscribe to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Seb35
Le Thu, 05 Dec 2013 19:08:15 +0100, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com a écrit: The sites are updated weekly, sometimes with additional deployments inbetween the scheduled ones. Constant sitenotice would be a bad idea. I suggest you subscribe to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Dan Garry
How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a good medium for it. There used to be a Technology report but I've not seen it for a while... Dan On 5 December 2013 10:28, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Users are very confused and worried any time a new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a good medium for it. There used to be a Technology report but I've not seen it for a while... Dan BRION, they called it.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Quim Gil
On 12/05/2013 01:22 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: On 12/5/13, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Some streamlining of communication processes, and giving consideration to a quick and straightforward process to reach information that can be done directly from any WMF wiki, would be a really significant

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 23:00:04 +0100, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a good medium for it. Signpost is English-specific, Wikipedia-specific and English-Wikipedia-specific. -- Matma Rex

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Happy Melon
On 5 December 2013 23:36, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 23:00:04 +0100, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a good medium for it. Signpost is English-specific, Wikipedia-specific

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.22.0rc3 ready for download

2013-12-05 Thread John
VE is a BAD idea, its full of holes and bugs On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 December 2013 21:26, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: We've put together RC3 for 1.22.0. Please test the tarball and report any bugs you find on Bugzilla:

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.22.0rc3 ready for download

2013-12-05 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: VE is a BAD idea, its full of holes and bugs Those are two separate concepts. Just because something has bugs does not make the software itself a bad idea. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.22.0rc3 ready for download

2013-12-05 Thread K. Peachey
Bad idea [to package/install],… Is what I believe beta was saying Tyler. On Friday, December 6, 2013, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: VE is a BAD idea, its full of holes and bugs Those are two separate concepts. Just

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.22.0rc3 ready for download

2013-12-05 Thread John
Correct, I see how my words can be taken several ways. Right now VE is a very unstable, bug filled, obnoxious elephant. Given enough time, testing, and maturity it as a lot of promise. Right now its like trying to use a rocket like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Let us be honest indeed. The others are not heard when they scream and shout in their little corner of the world.. Thanks, Gerard On 5 December 2013 23:41, Happy Melon happy.melon.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 December 2013 23:36, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: As it stands we don't really summarize changes very well, which is a prerequisite for telling people about changes. Occasionally changes make it to Tech/news, but that seems sporadic. snip I think the best way