Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-14 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hi Gabriel, thank you for that information. Actually I already knew of the project. Therefore I could imagine a process as I described. This IMHO doesn't need much i18n, because there is an defined syntax for wt and for html. On 2012-12-13 20:57, Gabriel Wicke wrote: On 12/13/2012 06:43 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 12/13/2012 06:43 AM, Marco Fleckinger wrote: > Implementing this is not very easy, but developers can may use some of > the old ideas. Parsing the other way around has to be realized really > from the scratch but is easier because everything is in a tree. not in a > single text-string. > > Neit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hello, On 2012-12-12 20:04, James Alexander wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Andre Klapperwrote: On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find mo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Chad
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Marco Fleckinger wrote: > On 2012-12-12 16:58, Chris McMahon wrote: >> >> Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like >> to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. >> > Do you really mean http://test2.wikipedi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Marco Fleckinger
On 2012-12-12 16:58, Chris McMahon wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. Do you really mean http://test2.wikipedia.org? AFAIK the wikidata team uses this installation as a testing cli

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > I would definitely be willing to serve as a guinea pig, working to > integrate ProveIt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT). > Awesome! Roan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@li

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Lee Worden
From: Roan Kattouw On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Worden wrote: >Very exciting - congratulations! > >I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for >extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things >their extensions support? Yes, abs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Trevor Parscal
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > Will the method for hooking into VE be the same as for WikiEditor? Or > will extension > developers need to support both editors in two different ways? > In general they are both conceptually and technically incompatible. Here's some mor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/12/2012 11:08 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Worden wrote: >> Very exciting - congratulations! >> >> I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for >> extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things >> t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/11/2012 07:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: > TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the > VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create > and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the > articles they edit will look the same as when y

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > Will the method for hooking into VE be the same as for WikiEditor? Or will > extension > developers need to support both editors in two different ways? > It won't be the same as for WikiEditors, because the two are very fundamentally diff

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
Lee Worden wrote: > is there a plan > for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for > the things their extensions support? Roan Kattouw responded: >Yes, absolutely! We've been working on cleaning up and rewriting various >internal APIs in VE >such that they can reasonab

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Worden wrote: > Very exciting - congratulations! > > I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for > extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things > their extensions support? Yes, absolutely! We've bee

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: > > This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different > > ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We > > do not recommend people trying to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 12/12/2012 09:31 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > Would it be possible to enable VE in a similar manner on other WMF wikis? Currently Parsoid does not support localized namespaces, link trail character classes and other features. Without support for these, pages will not render and round-trip pr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Risker
On 12 December 2012 11:57, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: > > This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different > > ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We > > do not recommend people trying to use t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
Would it be possible to enable VE in a similar manner on other WMF wikis? I understand the concerns about developers being unable to respond to feedback in other languages, but most large projects have at least a few technical people who could serve as "relays", and I'd like to see some of the int

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: > This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different > ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We > do not recommend people trying to use the VisualEditor for their > regular editing yet. We would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Chad wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. It's also enabled for the user namespace, so p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chris McMahon
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Chad wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon > wrote: > > Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like > > to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. > > > > It's also enabled for the user na

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chad
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon wrote: > Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like > to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. > It's also enabled for the user namespace, so people can feel free to play with it and not be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chris McMahon
Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. -Chris On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: > TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the > VisualEditor[0] to the E

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: > TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the > VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create > and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the > articles they edit will lo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Thomas Gries
tl;dr: VE does not work for me https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42988 Hanging after "Review and save" --> "Review your changes" hangs, no saving ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Lee Worden
...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: From: James Forrester To: Wikimedia developers, wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 TL;DR: Today we are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: > TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the > VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create > and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the > articles they edit will look the same

[Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread James Forrester
TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they edit will look the same as when you read them, and their changes show up as they type en