On 09/05/2015 05:32 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
lol, consensus among whom, to what?
"There is consensus at" - Consensus among people discussing at that talk
page.
"that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
sections at once" - Consensus about that.
Matt Flaschen
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On 09/05/2015 07:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
I think there are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have
codes of
conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for
being male.
Then those people should be glad to participate in finalizing this CoC.
There's a
On 8 September 2015 at 14:04, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>
>> On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
>> wrote:
>> > Some people (regardless of gender or other characteristics) find
>> harassing
>> > or discriminatory behavior off
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
> wrote:
> > Some people (regardless of gender or other characteristics) find
> harassing
> > or discriminatory behavior offensive, such behavior is unfortunately too
> > common,[1] and a cod
On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>
>> On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote:
>> > Oliver Keyes wrote:
>> >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>> >>don't bring) in terms of user
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote:
> > Oliver Keyes wrote:
> >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
> >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
> >>recently encountered http:/
I cannot find any possible lost by applying those principles neither.
Vito
2015-09-06 14:49 GMT+02:00 Quim Gil :
> As I tried to explain at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html,
> there is a potential correlation between being opposed to a Code of Conduct
>
As I tried to explain at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html,
there is a potential correlation between being opposed to a Code of Conduct
and having a community profile needing less such Code of Conduct. This
doesn't mean that our community doesn't need a Code o
> the mails sent here the last week made me think more thorough about what
> the actual problem is, and reconsider my posiiton. i added comments to the
> phabricator ticket at: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90908#1612033.
>
> to summarize the phabricator comments briefly, i experienced the wik
On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
> On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen <
> mflasc...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> There is consensus at
> >>
> >>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/
On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen
> wrote:
>
>> There is consensus at
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
>> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
>> sections
On 9/5/15, MZMcBride wrote:
> Oliver Keyes wrote:
>>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
>>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
>>interesting read and brings up a couple of
On 5 September 2015 at 21:11, Alex Monk wrote:
> On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote:
> >
> > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you
> one
> > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously
> > argue against them. Maybe a code
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the
> push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
> are people who sympa
On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote:
>
> > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one
> thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously
> argue against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this
> point, refusing to
On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote:
> It seems weird to me that the
> push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement.
>
Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_the_United_States_Fighting_
On 6 September 2015 at 00:11, MZMcBride wrote:
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
It would probably be fascinating to have this technical term defined
with any specificity.
> of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
> cond
On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote:
> Oliver Keyes wrote:
>>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
>>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
>>interesting read and br
Oliver Keyes wrote:
>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
>interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth
>thinking
The first and last paras are particularly worth quoting:
> Earlier this year I pulled out of a conference because the organiser and I
> disagreed on code of conducts. Specifically I thought there should be one,
> and he did not. He did eventually add one, but refused to define unacceptable
> be
On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
recently encountered
http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/
on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a couple
Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email
you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you
might have.
On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen
> wrote:
>
>> There is consensus at
>>
>
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen
wrote:
> There is consensus at
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
> sections at once (while still allowing people to comm
There is consensus at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other
ones). This allows progress without requiring people to
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