On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Niklas
Laxström wrote:
> When using CDB, the cache is constant. You can't do incremental
> updates.
You can, you just have to write an entirely new database every time.
This will already have to be done every time the messages change.
Changes to {{SITENAME}} should
Niklas Laxström wrote:
> Localisation cache caches only static content, not in-wiki
> customisations. On the other hand, it needs some trickery if the set
> of extensions differ between wikis, but should still be possible. But
> I'm just guessing, I don't know how they are going to set it up.
How
2009/9/2 Platonides :
> Niklas Laxström wrote:
>> When using CDB, the cache is constant. You can't do incremental
>> updates. And what if WMF uses *single* cache for all projects? Then
>> {{SITENAME}} wouldn't be constant anymore, and we would not get better
>> performance where it is needed most.
Niklas Laxström wrote:
> When using CDB, the cache is constant. You can't do incremental
> updates. And what if WMF uses *single* cache for all projects? Then
> {{SITENAME}} wouldn't be constant anymore, and we would not get better
> performance where it is needed most. It could help other MediaWik
2009/9/2 Ilmari Karonen :
> (Although Roan's suggestion of also folding things like {{CURRENTYEAR}}
> and passing their expiration time to the cache may also be worth
> considering. We could then just treat e.g. {{SITENAME}} as having an
> infinite expiration time, and any truly uncacheable magic
Robert Rohde wrote:
>
> As I suggested yesterday, perhaps not very clearly, I think the
> sensible thing to do is to bypass the Parser on most calls to messages
> like "Welcome to {{SITENAME}}" by caching the post-transformed version
> of the message, e.g "Welcome to Wikipedia", in the MessageCach
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> What other people have objected is your position that the only way to
>> regain them is to manually replace {{SITENAME}} on all messages.
>
> I didn't say "manually" ;-) One could have an automated solution :)
>
>> Parser->transform
Domas Mituzas wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> What other people have objected is your position that the only way to
>> regain them is to manually replace {{SITENAME}} on all messages.
>
> I didn't say "manually" ;-) One could have an automated solution :)
An admin bot "template" subster
>> Parser->transf
Hello,
> What other people have objected is your position that the only way to
> regain them is to manually replace {{SITENAME}} on all messages.
I didn't say "manually" ;-) One could have an automated solution :)
> Parser->transformMsg() could replace many well-known "{{something" and
> only ca
Domas Mituzas wrote:
> Anyone, one can see, lion's share is Parser->preprocess, which doesn't
> do any initialization here, pure parser magic (though it probably has
> some revisits to magic words and Title code that could be removed).
> So yes, parser init adds about 5ms, so does message cache
Chad,
> I personally haven't, but if you've got some good profiling data from
> WMF usage of this stuff it would certainly be helpful :)
Well, in simple micro-benchmarking, wfMsg("pagetitle") took 0.5ms on
enwiki and 5ms on frwiki (thats _without_ any initialization overhead).
First call to enw
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
> Hello!!!
>
>> If anyone is interested in actually looking into the costs of Parser
>> setup and invocation for brace replacement in messages and optimizing
>> this code path, that would be great, but please follow up in a new
>> thread and only
Hello!!!
> If anyone is interested in actually looking into the costs of Parser
> setup and invocation for brace replacement in messages and optimizing
> this code path, that would be great, but please follow up in a new
> thread and only post _new_ information or questions, not repeats of
> what'
Roan Kattouw wrote:
> Duplicate thread of
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/044984.html
> ?
Not exactly, I think. Folding constant magic words when setting up the
localization cache and speeding up the parser in general would be fairly
orthogonal improvements, eve
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> Duplicate thread of
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/044984.html
> ?
>
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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}
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