Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, go moko gom...@yahoo.com wrote: So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is a mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are necessary for it to work properly. I don't know if such a tool exist, but could it bea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 25 August 2011 08:28, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, go moko gom...@yahoo.com wrote: So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is a mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are necessary for it to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like… checking the “Include templates” box on Special:Export? I guess that's what I mean, it's been a few years since I last saw Special:Export - long enough that I have no idea whether that box is from before

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 25 August 2011 10:47, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: But the problem is more difficult than that. MediaWiki has no chance of knowing which templates are “necessary for it to work properly”, it can only detect those that are _actually used_ in a specific use case (as you say,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Alex Brollo
It could frequently come out a big problem of collisions with existing templates with different code. I feel that synonimous templates, with different features, are a very subtle and harmful touble. This raises the long-standing problem of redundancy and coherence so deeply afflicting anything

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-24 Thread Krinkle
Note that things like {{Cite}} and {{trim}} should probably be an extension that adds a parser function, not a template. Although the overlap between extensions adding parser functions and and templates getting tighter with WikiScripts, in general templates are for re-used wikitext and

[Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most familiar with) has many very usefull templates, especially the {{citeFoo}} templates, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Max Semenik
On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most familiar with) has many very usefull templates,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/8/20 Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com: Don't forget, English is one of 300-something languages we support. And users of other languages typically don't feel comfortable with using English templates, because words like cite book, author and link are meaningless to them. Translating the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Łukasz Garczewski
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most familiar

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
2011/8/20 Łukasz Garczewski t...@wikia-inc.com: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 August 2011 21:01, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: +25.  I had to pull the book citation template out of Wikipedia to use it on a Wikia site, and it was a 2 hour process. Yes. Speaking as a MediaWiki tarball user (at work), this doesn't require a fork (as Fred contemplates) - it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
On 20 August 2011 21:01, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: +25.  I had to pull the book citation template out of Wikipedia to use it on a Wikia site, and it was a 2 hour process. Yes. Speaking as a MediaWiki tarball user (at work), this doesn't require a fork (as Fred contemplates) -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Sumurai8 (DD)
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread go moko
- Original Message - From: Sumurai8 (DD) sumur...@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is a mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are necessary for it to work properly. I don't know if such a tool exist, but could it bea (partial) solution? G. Moko (Forgive my poor english...) If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Alex Brollo
IMHO, the idea of a decent set of common, shared, english-named, standard templates is really a a good one. Noone have nothing against the fact that reserved words of any programming language is english-named and standard. I presume, that many of existing templates aren't used into ns0 or other