Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-21 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Chad wrote: > All browsers die eventually, it's our job to kill support around the > same time. Not while there's still a good percentage using it (and > 20% is a fair chunk), but rather when it's practically un-used anyway. This is precisely it. We will cease to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Tei
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, GerardM wrote: .. > Aan u verzonden door GerardM via Google Reader: Norwegian Websites > Declare War on Internet Explorer 6 via Wired Top Stories door Michael > Calore op 19-2-09 Several prominent websites in Norway are refusing to > support the antiquated IE6 bro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 Chad : > TBH: The 2010 date might not be a bad one to target for IE legacy > support. When the company doesn't support it, we shouldn't bother > either. At that point, people who are using IE6 are just too far behind > the curve to be bothered with. If we kept this "must support it" > men

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Chad
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/2/20 Chad : > > I would be willing to bet the vast majority of IE6 users left are > > on corporate networks as mentioned above, and have little to > > no control over what browser they use. At my former job, XP > > and IE6 were the stand

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Judson Dunn
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sherool wrote: > Actualy there is one big reason not to: As long as people continue to > carter for IE6 then less computer savy users will see no reason to upgrade > because "it still works". I believe that's precicely the reason it's > market share remains fairly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 Chad : > I would be willing to bet the vast majority of IE6 users left are > on corporate networks as mentioned above, and have little to > no control over what browser they use. At my former job, XP > and IE6 were the standard supported platforms, and they had > given no indication of wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Hay (Husky)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > Wikimedia's goal is not to better humanity in some unspecified way. > It's to disseminate free knowledge. Pestering users who probably > can't fix the problem does nothing to advance that goal. If we're > going to try moralizing our users, w

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Chad
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Sherool wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:41 +0100, Thomas Dalton > wrote: > > > 2009/2/20 Aryeh Gregor > > > >: > >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Thomas Dalton > >> wrote: > >>> There are different levels of support. We should certainly make sure > >>> t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 Hay (Husky) : > Unfortunately, IE6 (and IE7 as well) are problems that all web sites > got to live with. IE6 is still used by about 34% of all web users > (according to the latest statistics from thecounter.com), so banning > those users or not paying attention to problems they might hav

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Sherool
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:41 +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/2/20 Aryeh Gregor : >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Thomas Dalton >> wrote: >>> There are different levels of support. We should certainly make sure >>> things fail gracefully for IE6, but a new feature not working on IE6 >>

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Sherool wrote: > The argument is that the people who still use IE6 now are not likely to > ever change on their own because "it still works". That argument is evidently wrong, given the number of people still using IE5 and NN4 (i.e., basically none). Eventually p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Sherool
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:16:06 +0100, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 AM, GerardM > wrote: >> Hoi, >> Would this be a model to follow ? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> Aan u verzonden door GerardM via Google Reader: Norwegian Websites >> Declare War on Internet Explorer 6 via Wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Hay (Husky)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: > If some new major feature is added that a given old browser doesn't > support, a banner message could be displayed akin to the one Brion put > in place recently for mobile users not using the mobile gateway. Hmm.. so anytime you visit Wikipedi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > There are different levels of support. We should certainly make sure > things fail gracefully for IE6, but a new feature not working on IE6 > shouldn't be a reason not to implement it for everyone else. (I > believe that is pretty much the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Hay (Husky)
Unfortunately, IE6 (and IE7 as well) are problems that all web sites got to live with. IE6 is still used by about 34% of all web users (according to the latest statistics from thecounter.com), so banning those users or not paying attention to problems they might have with certain website elements i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 Aryeh Gregor : > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Thomas Dalton > wrote: >> There are different levels of support. We should certainly make sure >> things fail gracefully for IE6, but a new feature not working on IE6 >> shouldn't be a reason not to implement it for everyone else. (I >>

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > There are different levels of support. We should certainly make sure > things fail gracefully for IE6, but a new feature not working on IE6 > shouldn't be a reason not to implement it for everyone else. (I > believe that is pretty much the cu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 Aryeh Gregor : > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 AM, GerardM wrote: >> Hoi, >> Would this be a model to follow ? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> Aan u verzonden door GerardM via Google Reader: Norwegian Websites >> Declare War on Internet Explorer 6 via Wired Top Stories door Michael >> Calore

Re: [Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 AM, GerardM wrote: > Hoi, > Would this be a model to follow ? > Thanks, > GerardM > > Aan u verzonden door GerardM via Google Reader: Norwegian Websites > Declare War on Internet Explorer 6 via Wired Top Stories door Michael > Calore op 19-2-09 Several prominent websit

[Wikitech-l] Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6

2009-02-20 Thread GerardM
Hoi, Would this be a model to follow ? Thanks, GerardM Aan u verzonden door GerardM via Google Reader: Norwegian Websites Declare War on Internet Explorer 6 via Wired Top Stories door Michael Calore op 19-2-09 Several prominent websites in Norway are refusing to support the antiquated IE6 browser