Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-27 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I would strongly support to not lend support to the believe that everything under the sun is copyrightable. We should, in my opinion, take the position that trivial things like these are not copyrightable and should put a CC0 on it. We should not set an example and establish a practice that single

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-27 Thread Quim Gil
That wouldn't be a bad project for GSoC as it isn't too large so it means we could actually see some results. Feedback and help about this feature is welcome at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31221 (we might create a bug report specific to it, but this is the location we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/27/2013 10:41 AM, Quim Gil wrote: That wouldn't be a bad project for GSoC as it isn't too large so it means we could actually see some results. Feedback and help about this feature is welcome at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31221 (we might create a bug report

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/27/2013 01:12 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: I'm not sure whether it'd be helpful for this project, but https://github.com/akrennmair/speech-to-server looks interesting. Somebody ported lame (the mp3 encoder) to JavaScript. The demo I linked to records in the browser and streams it to a server

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-26 Thread Tyler Romeo
I'm not sure whether it'd be helpful for this project, but https://github.com/akrennmair/speech-to-server looks interesting. Somebody ported lame (the mp3 encoder) to JavaScript. The demo I linked to records in the browser and streams it to a server over websocket. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-17 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 03/13/2013 12:15 AM, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 13/03/13 04:07, K. Peachey wrote: That wouldn't be a bad project for GSoC as it isn't too large so it means we could actually see some results, And if it was too small, The student could probably do a couple of smaller projects (it being one)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-14 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 03/13/2013 08:16 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: A very nice website that does this already is www.forvo.com but they claim by-nc-sa licence. But the way it works could be used as inspiration. Forvo looks very nice, and if they can do the job, I'm happy that we don't have to. We should try to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-14 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/14/2013 05:49 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: Forvo looks very nice, and if they can do the job, I'm happy that we don't have to. We should try to collaborate with them. Unfortunately, their license (non-commercial) is not free as in freedom, and not acceptable for Wikimedia projects. It's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-14 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 03/13/2013 08:16 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: A very nice website that does this already is www.forvo.com but they claim by-nc-sa licence. Ah, now I see this detail: Yes, the -NC- clause in their license makes them useless for us. That's a pity. Having been through the great license shift

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 13/03/13 02:01, Lars Aronsson wrote: Provide a tool on the toolserver, or any other server, having a simple link syntax that specifies the language code and the text, e.g. http://toolserver.org/mytool.php?lang=frtext=gouter I was thinking about this already and yes, this is a great idea! :)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 13/03/13 02:29, Brian Wolff wrote: It was solvable with a java applet (or flash, but that's usually considered evil) back in 2003. However it still requires someone to actually do it. I believe Flash should be Ok if made to work on gnash but am not sure if gnash supports everything needed.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 13/03/13 02:48, Matthew Flaschen wrote: The tool uses a cookie, that remembers that this user has agreed to submit contributions using cc0. At the first visit, this question is asked as a click-through license. Why CC0 (public domain)? Your example

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/13/2013 03:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: Why CC0 (public domain)? Your example (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-go%C3%BBter.ogg) is CC-BY, which is not public domain and requires attribution (which I think all Wikimedia projects do for text). I'd say CC-BY-SA or CC-BY would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Luke Welling WMF
It would be a good application for mobile too. In browser would be reasonably easy with Flash, and can be done with JavaScript in modern browsers but not yet in a consistent way. There is a W3 spec but using a library like https://github.com/jussi-kalliokoski/sink.js/ would be easier than

[Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Lars Aronsson
In Wiktionary, it's very convenient that some words have sound illustrations, e.g. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/go%C3%BBter These audio bites are simple 2-3 second OGG files, e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-go%C3%BBter.ogg but they are limited in number. It would be very easy to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On 3/12/13, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: In Wiktionary, it's very convenient that some words have sound illustrations, e.g. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/go%C3%BBter These audio bites are simple 2-3 second OGG files, e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-go%C3%BBter.ogg

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: It was solvable with a java applet (or flash, but that's usually considered evil) back in 2003. However it still requires someone to actually do it. For security purposes, I'm really hoping we don't plan on using a Java

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/12/2013 09:01 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: Provide a tool on the toolserver, or any other server, having a simple link syntax that specifies the language code and the text, e.g. http://toolserver.org/mytool.php?lang=frtext=gouter Good idea, though I agree with Brian a special page would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On 3/12/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: It was solvable with a java applet (or flash, but that's usually considered evil) back in 2003. However it still requires someone to actually do it. For security

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Mar 12, 2013 10:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/12/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: It was solvable with a java applet (or flash, but that's usually considered evil) back in 2003. However

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On 3/12/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2013 10:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/12/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: It was solvable with a java applet (or flash, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Someone could probably make an extension that integrates with MediaWiki, so all user has to do is go to special:recordAudio and they could record/upload from there. Perhaps that would make a good gsoc project (Not sure if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-12 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 13/03/13 04:07, K. Peachey wrote: That wouldn't be a bad project for GSoC as it isn't too large so it means we could actually see some results, And if it was too small, The student could probably do a couple of smaller projects (it being one) then focus on one after the other. The smaller