Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:56:50 -0700, Krinkle wrote: Although for a different use case, I find myself facing a related problem with my bot on Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Auto-protected_files/wikipedia/zh Those pages get updated periodically whenever a commons image sta

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Krinkle
Although for a different use case, I find myself facing a related problem with my bot on Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Auto-protected_files/wikipedia/zh Those pages get updated periodically whenever a commons image starts or ends being used on a Main Page. Aside from the f

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread MZMcBride
Petr Bena wrote: > There is a number of services running on our wikis, such as english > wikipedia which are for example generating some information and > frequently update certain page with these data, (statistics etc). That > makes tons of revisions that will be never needed in future and which >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Derric Atzrott
>>> It's probably one of the most straight-forward to make extensions I've >>> heard of as well. >> >> If you go for a special page based design, then yes, this is simple. If you >> want to have it properly integrated with MediaWiki, it's rather less >> trivial. > >It's not really that simple, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Petr Bena
It's not really that simple, the page should be accessible via API just as any other page, should be useable as any other page, etc. (include able using {{NoHistory:PageName}}). If we used the conception of Special page, it wouldn't work like this On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jeroen De Dauw w

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, > It's probably one of the most straight-forward to make extensions I've heard of as well. If you go for a special page based design, then yes, this is simple. If you want to have it properly integrated with MediaWiki, it's rather less trivial. > these pages could live in a special namespac

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Petr Bena
I don't mean to break the current design, rather to implement a new feature, these pages could live in a special namespace like [[NoHistory:PageName]] and it would be forbidden to move pages from / to this space so that existing articles with history could not be damaged in any way. Since it would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Derric Atzrott
I> might be wrong, but I believe there's a legal implication to doing >something like this (at least on WMF wikis) since it's removing attribution >to various people who "contributed" to the article, even if it's not in the >traditional sense. Also it kind of violates the basic design of MediaWiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
I might be wrong, but I believe there's a legal implication to doing something like this (at least on WMF wikis) since it's removing attribution to various people who "contributed" to the article, even if it's not in the traditional sense. Also it kind of violates the basic design of MediaWiki itse

[Wikitech-l] Proposed new core feature: page with limited or no history

2012-08-28 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, There is a number of services running on our wikis, such as english wikipedia which are for example generating some information and frequently update certain page with these data, (statistics etc). That makes tons of revisions that will be never needed in future and which will be in database w