Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-26 Thread rupert THURNER
many thanks for this proposal, erik! what i would love to be considered in this context as well would be native language. to give an example: i am speaking english and german. therefor i like to read the contents in the original version, as long as it is available in this language. e.g. wmch s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One reason to identify a language is to exclude it from being considered part of another language. What follows is that a single string can and should be identified as not being the base language for an article. Functionally there are great reasons why you want to do this including providing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated place in the schema for associating a content language with a specific page. Thanks, Erik

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I'm not sure I'd call what you're proposing a major architectural undertaking, though perhaps I'm defining a much narrower problem scope. Yeah. A lot depends on whether or not we want language to be a first class citizen at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated place in the schema for associating a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/25 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-04-25 9:12 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2013/4/25 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I also prefer not to add magic words in the first place. But if it is added, it shouldn't change the way the other magic words are interpreted; only magic words from the wiki's language should be used. Or no magic words at all - just use a language picker at the editing page. -- Amir Elisha

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
I think ContentHandler already theoretically has the ability to store per-page language info, it's just not being used. (And of course it'd have to be actually deployed somewhere else than Wikidata.) Unless I'm missing something, this mostly needs an interface (which is not a small undertaking by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Just to add, ContentHandler is deployed on all Wikimedia projects. 2013/4/24 Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com I think ContentHandler already theoretically has the ability to store per-page language info, it's just not being used. (And of course it'd have to be actually deployed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:53:50 +0200, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Just to add, ContentHandler is deployed on all Wikimedia projects. But with $wgContentHandlerUseDB = false, so not really. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Paul Selitskas
I've already tried both using page properties to store page content language and modifying ContentHandler::getPageLanguage()[1]. In both cases parser worked in a different language scope and didn't process magic words written in a default wiki language (e.g. Russian [[Категория:Test]] wouldn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/24 Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com: I've already tried both using page properties to store page content language and modifying ContentHandler::getPageLanguage()[1]. In both cases parser worked in a different language scope and didn't process magic words written in a default wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread James Forrester
On 24 April 2013 06:28, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2013/4/24 Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com: I've already tried both using page properties to store page content language and modifying ContentHandler::getPageLanguage()[1]. In both cases parser worked in a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/23/2013 11:29 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: (Keeping in mind that some pages would be multilingual and would need to be identified as such.) If so, this seems like a major architectural undertaking that should only be taken on as a partnership between domain experts (site and platform

[Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-23 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, I'd like to start a broader conversation about language support in MW core, and the potential need to re-think some pretty fundamental design decisions in MediaWiki if we want to move past the point of diminishing returns in some language-related improvements. In a nutshell, is it time

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-23 Thread MZMcBride
Erik Moeller wrote: I'd like to start a broader conversation about language support in MW core [...] Mailing lists are good for conversation, but a lot of your e-mail was insightful notes that I want to make sure don't get lost. I hope you'll eventually put together an RFC