Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread MZMcBride
Mark Holmquist wrote: > (I'm leaving out arguments about the decision to host with Google, but > it seems like a relevant thing, perhaps there are archived discussions > that I could read?) The Wikimedia Foundation's decision to switch to Google Apps came up on foundation-l in October 2010. The re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Mark Holmquist wrote: >> That's nice, but as a business decision the wikimedia foundation has >> decided to host our corporate email with Google. For personal mail we >> all have the choice of whatever system we would like, but this >> business decision has been ma

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Mark Holmquist
That's nice, but as a business decision the wikimedia foundation has decided to host our corporate email with Google. For personal mail we all have the choice of whatever system we would like, but this business decision has been made for us, and if someone wants a wikimedia.org address, I don't t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Mark Holmquist wrote: >> As true as all this is, some of us would prefer to keep an advertising >> giant like Google out of our business as much as possible. > > > Or alternatively, a non-free software giant like Google. But it comes to > roughly the same conclusion

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Mark Holmquist
As true as all this is, some of us would prefer to keep an advertising giant like Google out of our business as much as possible. Or alternatively, a non-free software giant like Google. But it comes to roughly the same conclusion. -- Mark Holmquist Contractor, Wikimedia Foundation mtrac...@m

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/01/2012 04:01 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: > Le 31/08/12 22:43, Mark A. Hershberger a écrit : >> But in an organization like the Foundation, you'll come across >> volunteers, etc., who would prefer to use Google as little as possible. >> I make my own attempts at this (which is why I run my own

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-09-01 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 31/08/12 22:43, Mark A. Hershberger a écrit : > But in an organization like the Foundation, you'll come across > volunteers, etc., who would prefer to use Google as little as possible. > I make my own attempts at this (which is why I run my own email server > for my friends and family). Note t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Mark Holmquist
Andrew suggested giving them Google apps accounts. I think it's a great solution--it allows people to use gmail or pretty much any mail client they want. However, it forces them to use the google mail servers, which may be less-than-desirable for some of us (me included) for various reasons. B

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Platonides
On 31/08/12 22:31, Jeff Green wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > >> On 08/31/2012 04:01 PM, Jeff Green wrote: >>> We are currently stuck at the step of mapping out how we originate mail >>> for the whitelist. Production and Google Apps mail are easy. But people >>> say we m

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 08/31/2012 04:31 PM, Jeff Green wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: >> I'm not why you couldn't give volunteers, etc. a server to send from and >> add that IP to your trusted senders for the domain that they use >> (assuming they're using one of your domains for their email

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Jeff Green
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On 08/31/2012 04:01 PM, Jeff Green wrote: We are currently stuck at the step of mapping out how we originate mail for the whitelist. Production and Google Apps mail are easy. But people say we may have volunteers, board members, etc. who do not us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 08/31/2012 04:01 PM, Jeff Green wrote: > We are currently stuck at the step of mapping out how we originate mail > for the whitelist. Production and Google Apps mail are easy. But people > say we may have volunteers, board members, etc. who do not use our known > mail routes. I'm not why you co

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Jeff Green
that should read "survey and reconfigure any outliers" On Fri, 31 Aug 2012, Jeff Green wrote: I still think it's a very good idea to deploy both SPF and domainkeys. SPF keeps coming up--twice this week from completely different quarters. Today the mailhouse we hired to help with the fundraiser

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote: > Forgive me for not knowing, but what is OIT? A quick Google gives me Oregon > Institute of Technology, but I that is it given the context. > Wikimedia's Office IT department. Roan ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Derric Atzrott
>I still think it's a very good idea to deploy both SPF and domainkeys. SPF >keeps coming up--twice this week from completely different quarters. Today >the mailhouse we hired to help with the fundraiser tells me our >deliverability with one major ISP is poor because we lack SPF. > >We are curre

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-31 Thread Jeff Green
I still think it's a very good idea to deploy both SPF and domainkeys. SPF keeps coming up--twice this week from completely different quarters. Today the mailhouse we hired to help with the fundraiser tells me our deliverability with one major ISP is poor because we lack SPF. We are currently

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-30 Thread Tim Starling
On 31/08/12 04:15, Daniel Friesen wrote: > This brings up the question. > Why does wikimedia.org not have a SPF record? > > We should be rejecting wikimedia.org emails that we know do not come > from Wikimedia. In May, Jeff Green proposed deploying it with "softfail", but it wasn't ever actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel Friesen
This brings up the question. Why does wikimedia.org not have a SPF record? We should be rejecting wikimedia.org emails that we know do not come from Wikimedia. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:19:52 -0700, Akshay Agarwal wro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Work offer inside

2012-08-30 Thread Akshay Agarwal
This is definitely a fraud message, checked it on various scamming sites On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM, wrote: > I would like to take this time to welcome you to our hiring process > and give you a brief synopsis of the position's benefits and requirements. > > If you are taking a career break