Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Petr Bena
it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port*

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Chad
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Petr Bena
Of course it is. Amazing things happen on irc. And what happens in your office? huh? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Brian Wolff
Given where chad works, im going to go with amazing things ;-) On 2013-02-28 2:07 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Of course it is. Amazing things happen on irc. And what happens in your office? huh? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Platonides
On 28/02/13 18:48, Brion Vibber wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) This would be my reasoning. Trust me, if I wanted to I could find

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Petr Bena
Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. What if you're not online at the time of the discussion? You're completely left out; no, even worse, you have no idea the discussion even took

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Petr Bena
But you have logs from irc discussions just as you have your emails - all developer channels are publicly logged On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
That is not a good comparison whatsoever. There's *no way* I or anybody else has the time or patience to sort through a thousand line plain text file, with automated bot messages, every day just to see if an important conversation was missed. And even if the IRC logs were in some nice pretty

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread MZMcBride
Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel was proposed). I'd recommend using #wikimedia, #wikimedia-tech,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Chad
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread MZMcBride
Tyler Romeo wrote: That is not a good comparison whatsoever. There's *no way* I or anybody else has the time or patience to sort through a thousand line plain text file, with automated bot messages, every day just to see if an important conversation was missed. And even if the IRC logs were in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
I think you're only allowed to extol the virtues of mailing lists once you learn to properly post to one. ;-) When you have a free minute, please read and digest https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette . :P Sorry about that. GMail bottom-posts automatically and I always

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Quim Gil
On 02/27/2013 04:29 AM, Petr Bena wrote: as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. Let's check http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels #wikimedia-tech Home for the community for technical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 02/27/2013 09:05 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Quim Gil
On 02/27/2013 10:54 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 02/27/2013 09:05 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:04:41 -0800, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Petr Bena
Okay, but this whole discussion is not much about new channel, but about current #wikimedia-dev so let's get back to the original idea. What about making #wikimedia-dev some universal place for wikimedia devs of all sorts? Not just #mediawiki devs and so, but also bot devs, tool devs etc...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Platonides
On 27/02/13 15:23, Tyler Romeo wrote: Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Chad
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, but this whole discussion is not much about new channel, but about current #wikimedia-dev so let's get back to the original idea. What about making #wikimedia-dev some universal place for wikimedia devs of all sorts?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? It's not for lack of wanting to go on IRC. It's technically

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev

2013-02-27 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
On 28.02.2013 8:40, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? It's not for lack of