Re: [Wikitech-l] Status on MediaWiki 1.20 release?

2012-09-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mark, Comments inline On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 08/31/2012 05:02 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: Sam would be the one to publish the tarball, but anyone can generate an unofficial alpha tarball, and I'd encourage that. We can already use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Clément Dietschy
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:57:20 -0700, Sergey Chernyshev sergey.chernys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, A few years back I saw a need in easy widget creation and too many extensions that just did that, but were not so well maintained and had a bunch of XSS holes in them and so on,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 02:25:56 -0700, Clément Dietschy clem...@seizam.com wrote: On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:57:20 -0700, Sergey Chernyshev sergey.chernys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, A few years back I saw a need in easy widget creation and too many extensions that just did that, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Yury Katkov
Maybe the widgets on the website should have security verification badges? On the pages of secured widgets the badge would say that it's safe to use them. As far as I know the Widgets extension designed specially to create safe alternative to 'plain-old insertion of raw html and javascript to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Chad
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The essential problem is that people can't get stuff through the gatekeepers, so they come up with a workaround. Noting that the workaround is insecure and saying just don't do that doesn't solve the original need and won't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 September 2012 13:06, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The essential problem is that people can't get stuff through the gatekeepers, so they come up with a workaround. Noting that the workaround is insecure and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, The essential problem is that people can't get stuff through the gatekeepers, so they come up with a workaround. Noting that the workaround is insecure and saying just don't do that doesn't solve the original need and won't help security. It's not clear to me what will, but the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Mr. Gregory Varnum
I use and like this extension. I know many others do as well. This debate over its value to some and security is interesting (well - not really) but aside from the point of this thread. Should the widgets be housed on MW.org rather than an outside site? Given their wide usage and the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demo 2012-09-04 15:00 UTC

2012-09-04 Thread Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)
For those who were not able to participate: Video: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.ogv Slides: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.pdf Next chance in two weeks :). Cheers! On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia engineering August 2012 report

2012-09-04 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in August 2012 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2012/August Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/04/engineering-august-2012-report/ -- Guillaume Paumier Technical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread John Du Hart
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Mr. Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: I use and like this extension. I know many others do as well. This debate over its value to some and security is interesting (well - not really) but aside from the point of this thread. Should the widgets be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread [[w:en:User:Madman]]
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: Does MediaWikiWiki really need any more shitty/insecure addons that no one is going to maintain? I think we have enough already. Does MediaWiki's development community really need any more people discouraging volunteers by

Re: [Wikitech-l] AJAX sharing of Commons data/metadata

2012-09-04 Thread Alex Brollo
Just to give a final feedback to this talk, that has been very useful for my tries: woks are going on fastly, and are presently focused on alignement of some structures templates whose data are shared between Commons and Wikisource: Creator vs. Author; Book vs

[Wikitech-l] witch from jpeg to png for thumbnailing pdfs?

2012-09-04 Thread Antoine Musso
Hello, [Bug 36597] is about switching PDF thumbnails from jpeg to PNG. The change to PdfHandler extension is really straightforward: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/6802/ It feels like PNG is more suitable, but would like some other people input before merging this change in. [Bug 36597]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 05:11:33 -0700, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, The essential problem is that people can't get stuff through the gatekeepers, so they come up with a workaround. Noting that the workaround is insecure and saying just don't do that doesn't solve the

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Open Knowledge Festival - September 17th - 22nd 2012, Helsinki

2012-09-04 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
There's a hackathon in Helsinki this month -- if you go and do interesting Wikimedia-related things, please report back! best, Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation Original Message Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Open Knowledge Festival - September

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread John Du Hart
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, [[w:en:User:Madman]] madman.enw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: Does MediaWikiWiki really need any more shitty/insecure addons that no one is going to maintain? I think we have enough already. Does

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, This is clearly not the case. Because there are XSS vectors all over these widgets. Developers who understand security do not monitor code strewn about in piles of wiki pages. They in no way have the same level of gatekeeping as extensions. So instead of writing a widget publicly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Ryan Lane
Hey if you want to make mediawiki.org a dumping ground for anything mediawiki related, have fun with that. Well, the parent thread had a point. Let's discuss what's possible rather than just downing the current work. How can we make widgets a viable extension? Is it possible? If not, can we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Mr. Gregory Varnum
I think that's a valuable and valid discussion. I would also argue that adding the widgets as subpages to the widget extension isn't cluttering up the wiki much - it at all. I fail to see how that would have such a drastic impact on our use of the wiki. -Greg Sent from my iPhone.

[Wikitech-l] Problem with the use this file link?

2012-09-04 Thread Strainu
Hi, Earlier today, I was trying to send a link to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LOC_Main_Reading_Room_Highsmith.jpg . I clicked on use this file, but instead of the file link there was some javascript function. I tried to log a bug, but this seems to reproduce only sometimes and I can't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:14:34 -0700, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, This is clearly not the case. Because there are XSS vectors all over these widgets. Developers who understand security do not monitor code strewn about in piles of wiki pages. They in no way have the

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-04 Thread Platonides
On 03/09/12 02:59, Tim Starling wrote: I'll go for option 4. You can't delete the images from the backend while they are still in Squid, because then they would not be purged when the image is updated or action=purge is requested. In fact, that is one of only two reasons for the existence of

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread MZMcBride
Antoine Musso wrote: Le 29/08/12 23:55, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: 1) Write small commits. I cant stress how important this is. git has several ways to split a commit: - git rebase --interactive parent commit sha1 - reset to master and git cherry-pick --no-commit sha1 then use git add

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/04/2012 07:38 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Antoine Musso wrote: Le 29/08/12 23:55, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: 1) Write small commits. I cant stress how important this is. git has several ways to split a commit: - git rebase --interactive parent commit sha1 - reset to master and git

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status on MediaWiki 1.20 release?

2012-09-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/04/2012 03:45 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 08/31/2012 05:02 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: Sam would be the one to publish the tarball, but anyone can generate an unofficial alpha tarball, and I'd encourage that.

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 09/04/2012 05:31 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On 09/04/2012 07:38 PM, MZMcBride wrote: I think some kind of reconciliation is needed here in the advice to committers, new and old. I guess whether to split commits up or not depends on context? Or maybe these simply the differences in

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: Or maybe these simply the differences in the sorts of reviews that people like to do? Or maybe its a bit of both? I think you're right that stylistic differences are at play. One possible bit of guidance we can give

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Foundation (was Re: CentralAuth API access)

2012-09-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 09/03/2012 03:59 PM, Oren Bochman wrote: e.g. The amount of Template Code in about 20 times the size of MediaWiki code base. [Citation Needed] This number fascinates me. It isn't that I doubt it, but could you cite a source? Perhaps it is because so much of my time has been spent as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving MediaWikiWidgets.org to Wikimedia

2012-09-04 Thread Sergey Chernyshev
Folks, If current implementation can be made more secure, I'm well for it - ideally more secure then the alternative native PHP extensions infrastructure MW has right now. Unfortunately, this was born because writing extensions for widgets is hard, writing them in secure way is even harder,

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 9/4/12 5:57 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: I would love more clarifications from developers to help people decide when to lump commits together into a changeset and when to split things up. If your commits are going to be touching the same files repeatedly, bundle them up into one large