Fwd: Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-09 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: So lets say we do it Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:51:47 -0800 From: Kenny Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know how to use mail lists, so i though I might mail you In responce to your ideas about reorganizing

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-04 Thread Martin Wilck
Am Fre, 2002-11-01 um 00.09 schrieb Dimitrie O. Paun: > -- the big "Navigation" box is wasted space, because > 1. It contains items everybody expects as a left-hand menu > 2. Contains no real content > -- while pretty, the layout is a non-standard, and is a wee bit > too far

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-01 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 1, 2002 03:04 am, Francois Gouget wrote: > My thinking is that only the top-level items would be visible on the > home page and then you can click on an item to expand it and go to its > first page. Agreed. > Actually, if we want to reduce the number of top-level menus in my > proposa

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-01 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 1, 2002 03:04 am, Francois Gouget wrote: > Anyway, I'm not sure 'Status' should be top-level and if you look on > GNUStep's site it is in fact level 2 (it's a submenu of 'Information'). It is definitely a 'one-click' item. I get a instant surge of sympathy for projects (there are quite

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-01 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:18:56PM -0800, Francois Gouget wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > > BTW, how can I contribute to the WineHQ CVS? Can I get access to it? > > See http://www.winehq.com/development/ > > Check out Winehq_com. > > Actually you can also get the same inf

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-11-01 Thread Francois Gouget
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 07:00 pm, Francois Gouget wrote: > > This is a good start. Here are my comments, based on > the following principles: [...] > > 1. About > > 1.1. Intro > > 1.2. Why Wine > > 1.3. Wine myths debunked > > 1.4. Technical detail

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Francois Gouget
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 11:47 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote: > > Here's what I will do. I will start a new design, I will put it up at: > > http://lostwages.winehq.org. A very rough draft of the home page alone with > > new nav should be online late (very very

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 07:00 pm, Francois Gouget wrote: This is a good start. Here are my comments, based on the following principles: -- while I appreciate (as a geek) the logical nesting of topics, I think they should be organized more around usage patterns. A common topic should b

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 11:47 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote: > Here's what I will do. I will start a new design, I will put it up at: > http://lostwages.winehq.org. A very rough draft of the home page alone with > new nav should be online late (very very late) sunday night, pending real > life (TM) does not

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Thomas Wickline
Alexandre Julliard wrote: "Dimitrie O. Paun" writes: >So the 5% left, install wine, install a Win-app, and play around. >Great, it works! You forgot a few things here: First it doesn't even start because they don't have a config file. OK, they copy one from somewhere, it doesn't work becaus

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Jeremy Newman
> On October 31, 2002 05:05 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote: >> Oh pick ME ME ME! :-) > OK mister, you're on! :) > IMO we need to reorganize the front page a bit more than that. That's a little more than a weekend of work. Here's what I will do. I will start a new design, I will put it up at: http://lost

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread John K. Hohm
> Once we have that we need to make sure we have suitable defaults to > allow running at least the drives/paths control panel without registry > files at all. We also need the Wine dlls to register themselves > instead of having to merge winedefault.reg by hand. Then it should be > possible to writ

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Duane Clark
Andreas Mohr wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:07:15PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On October 31, 2002 03:00 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: Not yet too late for another 'Halloween' release though ;) Yep... ...next year ! ;) I don't want to jinx it, but at the rate we're going, we'd be lucky t

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Francois Gouget
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: [...] > IMO we need to reorganize the front page a bit more than that. > Namely: > -- the big "Navigation" box is wasted space, because > 1. It contains items everybody expects as a left-hand menu > 2. Contains no real content > -- while

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 05:05 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote: > Oh pick ME ME ME! :-) OK mister, you're on! :) > I don't volunteer my weekends often, so speak now. IMO we need to reorganize the front page a bit more than that. Namely: -- the big "Navigation" box is wasted space, because 1. It con

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 04:05:21PM -0600, Jeremy Newman wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 15:30, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > > Agreed. I say, let's get some of the content in shape, and worry about > > the form a wee bit later. BTW, any web-design guys around, that may > > want to take on this task? >

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Jeremy Newman
On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 15:30, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > Agreed. I say, let's get some of the content in shape, and worry about > the form a wee bit later. BTW, any web-design guys around, that may > want to take on this task? Oh pick ME ME ME! :-) Wait a minute, I'm already in charge of that. Must

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 04:26 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > I wouldn't be 100% against placing a Screenshot link on the main page > - it's a mere 99% only. > But with the current menu infrastructure, I'm about 150% against it. > If we added a separate Screenshots menu item (which, by the way, I don't > thi

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 04:16:45PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 03:58 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > BTW, I just updated the Contribute page quite a lot. > > Very cool. You see, there's a lot of good stuff on the site, > but it's kinda hidden. We need to bring some of it > (li

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 04:18 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Bl**dy b*tch ! :-)) Listen man, I don't like that! I mean, what's up with the stars?!? :))) > First you annoy the h*ll out of people, and then you behave as if nothing > had ever happened and the weather was fantastic... ;-) Oh, Andy dude, you

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 03:58 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > BTW, I just updated the Contribute page quite a lot. Very cool. You see, there's a lot of good stuff on the site, but it's kinda hidden. We need to bring some of it (like screenshots, FAQ, contributing) more to the front, so people stumble upon i

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:20:34PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 03:11 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > Why, the current rate is avalanche-like ;) > > > > I'm growing ever more astonished about the increase in wine-patches per > > day... > > Same here. It's quite amazing! But can

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 03:33 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > (OK, if you're overly pessimistic, then you'll probably tell me now that > nobody will ever work on updating foreign languages, despite of such > a marvellous infrastructure) No, all I am saying is that's a lot of effort, for not that huge gain.

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:17:26PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 03:09 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > Well, that maintenance would e.g. include the localization work I > > suggested, having a *separate* CVS containing all localized Wine Guides, > > and having automatically updat

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 03:11 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Why, the current rate is avalanche-like ;) > > I'm growing ever more astonished about the increase in wine-patches per > day... Same here. It's quite amazing! But can we sustain the rate for a year? > But of course you're sorta right, we're stil

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 03:09 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Well, that maintenance would e.g. include the localization work I > suggested, having a *separate* CVS containing all localized Wine Guides, > and having automatically updated docu maintenance web pages > for every language involved. But this is

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 02:58:12PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 02:44 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > For christ's sake, IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE DOCU, THEN *IMPROVE IT*. > > Well, that's a good point. And I did a bit, but not nearly as much > as you. > > > I did. (past tense) >

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 07:08:07PM +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:24:28AM -0800, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > > So no, I'm not going to make a general public release just yet... > > Not yet too late for another 'Halloween' release though ;) Yep... ...next year ! ;)

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 02:44 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > For christ's sake, IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE DOCU, THEN *IMPROVE IT*. Well, that's a good point. And I did a bit, but not nearly as much as you. > I did. (past tense) > But maybe then it seems like I didn't... Hey, I've never complained about the

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:07:15PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 03:00 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > > Not yet too late for another 'Halloween' release though ;) > > > > Yep... > > > > ...next year ! ;) > > I don't want to jinx it, but at the rate we're going, we'd be > lucky

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 03:00 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > Not yet too late for another 'Halloween' release though ;) > > Yep... > > ...next year ! ;) I don't want to jinx it, but at the rate we're going, we'd be lucky to do a 1.0 'Halloween' release next year :/ -- Dimi.

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 02:44 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Gee, thanks ! > You know how many man-weeks (err, months ?) I've been putting into it, > right ? I was referring to the interface, not the content. In fact, I think the web-interface makes a disservice to the content. In fact, I am saying quite t

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Johan Dahlin
Em Qui, 2002-10-31 às 16:38, Dimitrie O. Paun escreveu: > On October 31, 2002 01:21 pm, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > > Sometime in June, I don't have the exact date of the first release > > unfortunately. Release 0.0.2 was on June 25. > > Too far away for 0.8, too close for 1.0. Maybe 0.9, if we're

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 01:19:33PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 11:24 am, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > > You forgot a few things here: > > Yes, and no: it was getting late, hand was all funny, > email was getting too long... :) > > > First it doesn't even start because the

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 01:21 pm, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > Sometime in June, I don't have the exact date of the first release > unfortunately. Release 0.0.2 was on June 25. Too far away for 0.8, too close for 1.0. Maybe 0.9, if we're lucky. -- Dimi.

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Alexandre Julliard
"Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On October 31, 2002 11:24 am, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > > First it doesn't even start because they don't have a config file. OK, > > Hear, hear! BTW, we should move configuration out of documentation/samples I don't think that would really help

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Rick Romero
On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 12:19, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On October 31, 2002 11:24 am, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > > You forgot a few things here: > > > [...] it doesn't work because the drives are wrong. > > Yep. wineinstall? > > > Then they don't have the proper registry (winedefault.reg? what'

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:24:28AM -0800, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > "Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So the 5% left, install wine, install a Win-app, and play around. > > Great, it works! > > You forgot a few things here: As for the SuSE wine RPMS: > First it doesn't even

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Alexandre Julliard
"Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On October 31, 2002 11:40 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: > > 10th Anniversary (??-??-2003)? sounds to a good date. > > Cool! :) Alexandre, when is that? Sometime in June, I don't have the exact date of the first release unfortunately. Release 0.0.2 was

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 11:24 am, Alexandre Julliard wrote: > You forgot a few things here: Yes, and no: it was getting late, hand was all funny, email was getting too long... :) > First it doesn't even start because they don't have a config file. OK, Hear, hear! BTW, we should move configuration o

Re: Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread chrismorgan
> > 2. People will look for the typical left-side menu: > > Home > > About > > Status > > Development > > Download > > Screenshots > > > > *BZZT* We don't have any. 5% will drop off here. > > Sorry to say that, but in this mail, *you* were talking *some* crap IMHO > ;-) >

Re: Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread chrismorgan
> > From: Alexandre Julliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2002/10/31 Thu AM 11:24:28 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: Wine Devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: So lets say we do it > > "Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > &

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 11:40 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: > 10th Anniversary (??-??-2003)? sounds to a good date. Cool! :) Alexandre, when is that? -- Dimi.

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Carlos Lozano
El jue, 31 de oct de 2002, a las 02:11, Dimitrie O. Paun escribio: > That is, > > Lets assume for the sake of argument that Alexandre likes my > 0.8 idea so much, that he releases Wine 0.8 with much fanfare > next Monday (so we have a good audience), 10th Anniversary (??-??-2003)? sounds to a goo

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Alexandre Julliard
"Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So the 5% left, install wine, install a Win-app, and play around. > Great, it works! You forgot a few things here: First it doesn't even start because they don't have a config file. OK, they copy one from somewhere, it doesn't work because the dri

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On October 31, 2002 10:29 am, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Sorry to say that, but in this mail, *you* were talking *some* crap IMHO > ;-) It's OK, you just missed the point. :P Honestly, you did: it's not ranting, it's a way to highlight where, and what we need to do. I said that in the P.S. by the way.

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Dirk
> > If you want more screenshots, then you just need to go to the AppDB. > (although we don't mention it yet, so I'll add a subtitle > "for more screenshots, see AppDB" to the screenshot now) > hmm.. IMHO the screenshots should be shown BEFORE the rest of the site shows up.. screenshots are the mo

Re: So lets say we do it

2002-10-31 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 02:11:31AM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > That is, > > Lets assume for the sake of argument that Alexandre likes my > 0.8 idea so much, that he releases Wine 0.8 with much fanfare > next Monday (so we have a good audience), and the news reaches > Slashdot where a message

So lets say we do it

2002-10-30 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
That is, Lets assume for the sake of argument that Alexandre likes my 0.8 idea so much, that he releases Wine 0.8 with much fanfare next Monday (so we have a good audience), and the news reaches Slashdot where a message with a link to http://www.winehq.org is posted, in good CmdrTaco fashion... A