Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-22 Thread Hans Leidekker
On Monday 21 February 2005 15:45, Bill Medland wrote: By quickly looking at the program, I noticed it looks for a registry key, this key is... SOFTWARE\Wine\Wine\Config the wine configuration key. I was thinking, there may come a day when we have our own check (say,

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-21 Thread Bill Medland
On February 19, 2005 03:19 pm, Brian Vincent wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:25:17 -0700, Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:28:59 +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By quickly looking at the program, I noticed it looks for a registry key, this key

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-20 Thread Darryl Dixon
I think something that has been overlooked in all this (and which is really off-topic for wine-devel, but I just can't resist) is the fact that with this GenuineCheck.exe program Microsoft are acknowledging the presence of another browser on Windows. Compare this to the situation with the

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-19 Thread Andreas Mohr
Hi, On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 05:36:52PM +0100, Sam Lauber wrote: Agreed. Can't we just delete HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/Software/Wine or move it to another name? Eh?? This is certainly a non-solution. Since they cared as much as actively checking for a Wine key and preventing downloads in the case of

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-19 Thread Brian Vincent
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:25:17 -0700, Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:28:59 +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By quickly looking at the program, I noticed it looks for a registry key, this key is... SOFTWARE\Wine\Wine\Config the wine configuration

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-18 Thread Alexander Gottwald
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Mike Hearn wrote: If the mere existence of this key makes the validation fail, what's to stop a virus from simply adding this key as a way to stop legitimate users from downloading the security fix for that same virus? Security fixes will be available for all users.

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Hearn
Shachar Shemesh wrote: If the mere existence of this key makes the validation fail, what's to stop a virus from simply adding this key as a way to stop legitimate users from downloading the security fix for that same virus? If MS is really doing what we think they may be doing here, I don't

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-18 Thread Sam Lauber
Agreed. Can't we just delete HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/Software/Wine or move it to another name? In any case, at least from a technical point of view, going around such test ought to be fairly simple If the mere existence of this key makes the validation fail, what's to stop a virus from

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-17 Thread Mike Hearn
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:45:11 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Let's wait until they actually do something bad before we go around accusing them, shall we? Bear in mind, the reason they're doing this is almost certainly because they know that Wine users often go there to fill in missing pieces

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-17 Thread Mike Hearn
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:45:11 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: In any case, at least from a technical point of view, going around such test ought to be fairly simple I don't think we want to go there. I demonstrated a way of checking for Wine to Rob last night that we really cannot fix or

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-17 Thread Boaz Harrosh
Ge van Geldorp wrote: When using IE and thus the ActiveX control there is no problem and my Windows is recognized as genuine. Looks to me the standalone validation program is seriously broken What about IE under Wine. It looks like that might work?

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-17 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
Boaz Harrosh wrote: What about IE under Wine. It looks like that might work? Maybe, but I don't want to pollute my wine installation with IE. Ivan.

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Mike Hearn wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:45:11 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: In any case, at least from a technical point of view, going around such test ought to be fairly simple If the mere existence of this key makes the validation fail, what's to stop a virus from simply adding this

Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
As some of you may know, Microsoft is planning to totally restrict access to the Microsoft download center to all non-genuine windows users. So you would expect some check for pirated copies of windows to be involved. If you visit the download center with IE you get an activex control, but if

RE: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Ge van Geldorp
From: Ivan Leo Puoti Interestingly if you run the validation program on wine, and the version of windows you're emulating is prior to 2000 or is windows server 20003, you get a message saying a validation code couldn't be found, because of technical difficulties or because you're running an

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ivan Leo Puoti wrote: A valid and working code is returned if the version is set to xp. Still, even if this is only an initial attempt, they appear to want to discriminate wine users, while this may be acceptable for operating system components/updates, this is probably a violation of anti-trust

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Jonathan Wilson
I expect that the check program will be reverse engineered and cracked to return genuine even for pirate copies in fairly short order. Either that or the pirates will just grab the patches and circulate them on the pirate sites anyway.

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jonathan Wilson wrote: I expect that the check program will be reverse engineered and cracked to return genuine even for pirate copies in fairly short order. Doesn't relate to us in any way. We are not pirates. Either that or the pirates will just grab the patches and circulate them on the

Re: Microsoft genuine downloads looking for wine

2005-02-16 Thread Scott W Gifford
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] In any case, at least from a technical point of view, going around such test ought to be fairly simple. ...but is likely to violate the DMCA, leaving users in a legal limbo between the DMCA and the Fair Use Doctrine. What fun. ScottG.