Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-19 Thread David Lee Lambert
Joseph Garvin k04jg02 at kzoo.edu writes: Tony Lambregts wrote: It's been there a long time... http://www.winehq.org/site/forums look at [Archive 2] Now actually having looked at gmane, I can say that it's not nearly as newb friendly as a real phpBB forum would be -- it wasn't

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-19 Thread Tony Lambregts
David Lee Lambert as4109 at wayne.edu writes: [snip really good stuff] The one step that I think would help the problem you're trying to address is something I've suggested before: add a permissive robots.txt to appdb.winehq.org, and make the one on bugs.winehq.org more open. That

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-19 Thread Chris Morgan
The one step that I think would help the problem you're trying to address is something I've suggested before: add a permissive robots.txt to appdb.winehq.org, and make the one on bugs.winehq.org more open. That would probably lead to fewer duplicate bug-reports as people find similar

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-14 Thread Aric Cyr
Joseph Garvin k04jg02 at kzoo.edu writes: I actually prefer forums because there's less of a barrier to get started. I can continue working through my browser, and I don't have to setup a message filter. I don't have external mail or nntp access at work, so I just use

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-14 Thread Joseph Garvin
Aric Cyr wrote: I don't have external mail or nntp access at work, so I just use http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel I didn't think of that. What about posting a link to the 'Wine Forums' on winehq that goes there?

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-14 Thread Tony Lambregts
Joseph Garvin wrote: Aric Cyr wrote: I don't have external mail or nntp access at work, so I just use http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel I didn't think of that. What about posting a link to the 'Wine Forums' on winehq that goes there? It's been there a long

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-14 Thread Joseph Garvin
Tony Lambregts wrote: It's been there a long time... http://www.winehq.org/site/forums look at [Archive 2] -- Tony Lambregts That's not very good from a usability standpoint. The gmane link is buried as Archive2. It's not at all clear that Archive1 (winehq pipermail) doesn't let you

RE: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-11 Thread Rolf Kalbermatter
Lionel Ulmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that (AFAIK) most if not all Wine developpers do not share at all this view (at last for me nothing beats either a mailing list or a newsgroups :-) ). So you will have a nice forum full of Wine questions and no developpers who

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-11 Thread Joseph Garvin
I actually prefer forums because there's less of a barrier to get started. I can continue working through my browser, and I don't have to setup a message filter. Even if there's not a forum where developers participate, but just a forum on winehq for users to help each other, I think that

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-10 Thread n0dalus
On 1/10/06, Molle Bestefich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Switch to Trac, for example. It will import your Bugzilla bugs in a snap and you're ready to go. User friendly and much simpler and much more consistent than Bugzilla. http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ Trac looks interesting, but the

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-10 Thread n0dalus
On 1/10/06, Molle Bestefich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it uses SQLite, which may not be able to effectively handle the huge needs of wine's bug tracking. It says they will try implement support for other sql servers in later versions, but currently it doesn't. Bull... There

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-10 Thread Lionel Ulmer
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:42:06PM -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote: Forums are absolutely a good idea. (...) The reason is the same reason I post to these forums - they're far more usable, well-sorted, and accessable than a mailing list. The problem is that (AFAIK) most if not all Wine developpers

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Jonathan Ernst
Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 15:47 +0100, S. Schauenburg a écrit : On IRC we started a chat on #WineHQ and discussed how to improve Wine. There were comments made and I wanted to summarize them and ask for your opinion. By the way: Who is in charge of WineHQ, AppDB etc.? A list of people who

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread James Hawkins
On 1/9/06, S. Schauenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back onto the main topic. Remarks made: 1. AppDB needs a revamp. Maybe drop the maintainers (those things just need to be set by developers only). Just have a look at the activity of all the maintainers in the last year. **Read on for

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread n0dalus
On 1/10/06, S. Schauenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On IRC we started a chat on #WineHQ and discussed how to improve Wine. There were comments made and I wanted to summarize them and ask for your opinion. By the way: Who is in charge of WineHQ, AppDB etc.? A list of people who are responsible

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Chris Morgan
On 1/9/06, S. Schauenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On IRC we started a chat on #WineHQ and discussed how to improve Wine. There were comments made and I wanted to summarize them and ask for your opinion. By the way: Who is in charge of WineHQ, AppDB etc.? A list of people who are responsible

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Tom Spear (aka Dustin Navea)
I disagree with both sides of the forum issue.. I think that depending on how it is implemented, it could go either way.. There are forum software's out there that will send you a mail (including what was said) whenever a section is replied to.. Which means you just subscribe to the

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Molle Bestefich
Tom Spear (aka Dustin Navea) wrote: ANYWAYS this email has gotten longer than I planned, and my hands are starting to hurt, so please, comments or suggestions, send em my way. Maybe the reason that your mail is so long is that it's an impossible feat to save that zilla. Let's pronounce that

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Tom Spear (aka Dustin Navea)
Perhaps we should check this out? Anyone? Tom Molle Bestefich wrote: Tom Spear (aka Dustin Navea) wrote: ANYWAYS this email has gotten longer than I planned, and my hands are starting to hurt, so please, comments or suggestions, send em my way. Maybe the reason that your mail is

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Chris Morgan
We use trac where I work and users that would normally be unable to use bugzilla appear to have success with the simpler interface of trac. Chris Switch to Trac, for example. It will import your Bugzilla bugs in a snap and you're ready to go. User friendly and much simpler and much more

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Jesse Allen
On 1/9/06, Jonathan Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why you are thinking maintainers should be developers only. Maintainers are quite active on the AppDB. And new features (like send test result) are making the job of the maintainers even more easy. I have doubts about the user

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 06:48:26PM +0100, Molle Bestefich wrote: Tom Spear (aka Dustin Navea) wrote: ANYWAYS this email has gotten longer than I planned, and my hands are starting to hurt, so please, comments or suggestions, send em my way. Maybe the reason that your mail is so long is

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Jesse Allen
On 1/9/06, S. Schauenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I hate the AppDB comments/summarize where people put a error log or something into the comment and/or the summary (under what doesn't work) This clearly states that people aren't using bugzilla. So if we (Wine) would be a bit

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Molle Bestefich
n0dalus wrote: Trac looks interesting, but the demo there seems a bit messy. The demo has write access for anonymous users, so yes. Look at the Trac project's own ticket system instead. Perhaps try one of these URLs. http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/report

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Mike McCormack
S. Schauenburg wrote: On IRC we started a chat on #WineHQ and discussed how to improve Wine. There were comments made and I wanted to summarize them and ask for your opinion. My comments: * It would be nice to have a checkbox: [x] installs and works with Wine and a fresh ~/.wine This is

Re: Please read: Wine(HQ) needs a reorganization (AppDB, Bugzilla, etc.)

2006-01-09 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 01:55 +1030, n0dalus wrote: On 1/10/06, S. Schauenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Create a Wine forum. This solves the problem of users asking the same questions over and over again. Here also the comments of the AppDB could be centralized (because most of them aren't