Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-24 Thread Vincent Béron
Le lun 22/08/2005 à 07:58, John Smith a écrit : [snip] 2. (not really relevant to this discussion, but relevant to the whole issue of supporting end-users): binary RPMs for RedHat/Fedora on winehq.org are still 20050524, and winecfg is pretty much useless there. If WINE team does care about

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread John Smith
This will just allow developers to hide bugs in wine and slow development even further, I thing it's a bad idea. Ahem. To say it politely - I didn't get an impression that WINE developers are desperately looking for unknown bugs to fix. Situation is pretty simple. We have an application, which

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
John Smith wrote: Situation is pretty simple. We have an application, which works Ok under WINE, provided that Managed=N specified Then just tell your users to set that in winecfg, AFAIK winecfg allows app specific settings. I'm sure your great guys but any such mechanism could be easily

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Jacek Caban
Ivan Leo Puoti wrote: John Smith wrote: Situation is pretty simple. We have an application, which works Ok under WINE, provided that Managed=N specified Then just tell your users to set that in winecfg, AFAIK winecfg allows app specific settings. You can also set it yourselves in in

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Then just tell your users to set that in winecfg, AFAIK winecfg allows app specific settings. I'm sure your great guys but any such mechanism could be easily abuse by lazy programmers, also once it wasn't needed some sort of backwards compatibility may even be needed, I don't think it's a

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread John Smith
Then just tell your users to set that in winecfg, AFAIK winecfg allows app specific settings. 1. It is still not 'out-of-the-box' - and from this point of view it doesn't matter much whether it is hacking config file or using GUI; 80% of end-users will try it and throw it away if it doesn't

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Felix Nawothnig
John Smith wrote: This will just allow developers to hide bugs in wine and slow development even further, I thing it's a bad idea. Ahem. To say it politely - I didn't get an impression that WINE developers are desperately looking for unknown bugs to fix. Because it's a tedious and boring task

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread John Smith
Because it's a tedious and boring task to narrow down those unknown bugs in closed-source apps. And that's exactly why we ask you (since you got access to the sources) to tell us what the application is trying to do which doesn't work in Wine... Ahem. And how long it usually takes to fix the

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
John Smith wrote: Ahem. And how long it usually takes to fix the bug for not-top-10 application? And please, don't suggest to fix it ourselves - it is not going to happen in corporate environment. Not that long if you provide a small testcase with source that triggers the bug As it would fix

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
John Smith wrote: 1. It is still not 'out-of-the-box' - and from this point of view it doesn't matter much whether it is hacking config file or using GUI; 80% of end-users will try it and throw it away if it doesn't work without hacking settings; 20% of others will ask questions, and will hack

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Shachar Shemesh
John Smith wrote: Because it's a tedious and boring task to narrow down those unknown bugs in closed-source apps. And that's exactly why we ask you (since you got access to the sources) to tell us what the application is trying to do which doesn't work in Wine... Ahem. And how long it

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-22 Thread Troy Rollo
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:46, John Smith wrote: Ahem. And how long it usually takes to fix the bug for not-top-10 application? And please, don't suggest to fix it ourselves - it is not going to happen in corporate environment. Sure it is. There are several corporates around here where fixing

Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-21 Thread John Smith
As a Win developer, I want to make a suggestion (sorry if it was already discussed - or if similar mechanism already exists): What if some simple way will be provided for Win developers to say which options they prefer for WINE to use for their application? While it may seem to somewhat

Re: Throwing in an idea (probably it was discussed before though)

2005-08-21 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
John Smith wrote: As a Win developer, I want to make a suggestion (sorry if it was already discussed - or if similar mechanism already exists): What if some simple way will be provided for Win developers to say which options they prefer for WINE to use for their application? While it may seem