Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Austin English wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Very true. Where it would help is with knowing what apps people are >>> running. Many people might try Win

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Very true. Where it would help is with knowing what apps people are >> running. Many people might try Wine, and never get it to work, then >>

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very true. Where it would help is with knowing what apps people are > running. Many people might try Wine, and never get it to work, then > give up without filing a bug. Conversely, some people might have it > work perfe

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Kai Blin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Saturday 11 October 2008 03:11:38 Austin English wrote: >> >>> Can we get back to the original discussion and decide how we want to >>> collect

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Kai Blin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2008 03:11:38 Austin English wrote: > >> Can we get back to the original discussion and decide how we want to >> collect Wine usage statistics? > > The only viable proposal I saw was an opt-in in winecfg.

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Saturday 11 October 2008 03:11:38 Austin English wrote: > Can we get back to the original discussion and decide how we want to > collect Wine usage statistics? The only viable proposal I saw was an opt-in in winecfg. Cheers, Kai -- Kai Blin WorldForge developer http://www.worldforge.org/ W

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yes I am sorry for the long post =) but he did ask for some of my >> thoughts =) >> >>> >>> Most debugger GUIs on Linux are (somewhat sucky) fr

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes I am sorry for the long post =) but he did ask for some of my > thoughts =) > >> >> Most debugger GUIs on Linux are (somewhat sucky) frontends to gdb. I'm pretty >> sure it's possible to create something similar for w

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Kai Blin wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 22:06:55 Chris Ahrendt wrote: > > Whew, long post. I'll tackle this as I go. Yes I am sorry for the long post =) but he did ask for some of my thoughts =) > >> My wish list would be: >> >> 1) Some form of a Standard Gui Debugger GDB integration /

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Thursday 09 October 2008 22:06:55 Chris Ahrendt wrote: Whew, long post. I'll tackle this as I go. > My wish list would be: > > 1) Some form of a Standard Gui Debugger GDB integration / eclipse etc.. gdb has a standard GUI? Which would that be in your case? I hear Eclipse is useable for C dev

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

James Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am sure there are some things that may be automated somewhat... or we can >> compare exceptions etc... that way we can get some idea of atleast what the >> hot bugs are at the time... Maybe one of

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I am sure there are some things that may be automated somewhat... or we can > compare exceptions etc... that way we can get some idea of atleast what the > hot bugs are at the time... Maybe one of the first tasks towards

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

James Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alexandre Julliard wrote: >>> "Henri Verbeet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> 2008/10/8 Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Currently, we've got two problems: > 1) We want to collect Wi

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Julliard wrote: >> "Henri Verbeet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> 2008/10/8 Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Currently, we've got two problems: 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know whe

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Alexandre Julliard wrote: > "Henri Verbeet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> 2008/10/8 Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Currently, we've got two problems: >>> 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know where to concentrate >>> our efforts. >> Just curious, but do any actual developer

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Guillaume VanderEst wrote: > It could also be possible to have a crash count? > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Hello All, > > Just wanted to continue the thread from Wineconf about tracking usage > data

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"Henri Verbeet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2008/10/8 Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Currently, we've got two problems: >> 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know where to concentrate >> our efforts. > Just curious, but do any actual developers really care about this? My > feel

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

It could also be possible to have a crash count? On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > Just wanted to continue the thread from Wineconf about tracking usage > data in Wine. We had discussed adding an opt-in system at first run > where all in

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

2008/10/9 Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And yes I do think this data would be valuable. Especially for the > d3d people who have a very rough idea of what to focus on (from what > they've told us at wineconf). > That's not quite what Stefan said, actually. The issue is that while there a

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> >> Ok, then you need to clarify what your plan with this 'option' is. Is >> this an option passed to configure that is disabled by default? If >>

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

2008/10/8 Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Currently, we've got two problems: > 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know where to concentrate > our efforts. Just curious, but do any actual developers really care about this? My feeling is that bugzilla gives a pretty good idea of what

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Mark Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 13:20, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If someone only uses Wine periodically/infrequently, we're unlikely to see >> it. >> >> Currently, we've got two problems: >> 1) We want to collect Wi

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 13:20, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If someone only uses Wine periodically/infrequently, we're unlikely to see it. > > Currently, we've got two problems: > 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know where to concentrate > our efforts. Will the number of

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> If developers are building from git and not enabling that option, we >> wouldn't be bugged by it, only end users would. >> > > Ok, then you need

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If developers are building from git and not enabling that option, we > wouldn't be bugged by it, only end users would. > Ok, then you need to clarify what your plan with this 'option' is. Is this an option passed to con

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> If someone only uses Wine periodically/infrequently, we're unlikely to see >> it. >> >> Currently, we've got two problems: >> 1) We want to col

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If someone only uses Wine periodically/infrequently, we're unlikely to see it. > > Currently, we've got two problems: > 1) We want to collect Wine usage data, so we know where to concentrate > our efforts. > 2) We don't w

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Chris Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Juan Lang wrote: >>> >>> I think we do Juan.. >>> reason being is that information is not always captured when people put >>> things into bugzilla.. if we had a way that its entered initially (if we >>> could gather it auto

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> You guys need to realize that in any given day we, as developers, >> destroy and recreate wineprefixes several times. Having a popup for >> e

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Juan Lang wrote: >> I think we do Juan.. >> reason being is that information is not always captured when people put >> things into bugzilla.. if we had a way that its entered initially (if we >> could gather it automagically) then have them attach the file when they do >> a bugzilla that might w

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> I think we do Juan.. > reason being is that information is not always captured when people put > things into bugzilla.. if we had a way that its entered initially (if we > could gather it automagically) then have them attach the file when they do > a bugzilla that might work a little better...

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so make it default not show, but allow distros to reverse that. > That doesn't solve the problem. We want usage statistics; therefore, in this hypothetical situation we want the distros to enable it. We're back to the

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Juan Lang wrote: >> Off hand: >> distribution name/version >> kernel version >> lspci >> graphics driver >> gcc version > > Those strike me as a pretty large set, and perhaps more than people > want to divulge. If they're having problems, with, say, graphics > drivers or kernels, hopefully bugzil

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> You guys need to realize that in any given day we, as developers

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:06 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> You guys need to realize that in any given day we, as developers

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Juan Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Off hand: >> distribution name/version >> kernel version >> lspci >> graphics driver >> gcc version > > Those strike me as a pretty large set, and perhaps more than people > want to divulge. If they're having problems, with, s

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

> Off hand: > distribution name/version > kernel version > lspci > graphics driver > gcc version Those strike me as a pretty large set, and perhaps more than people want to divulge. If they're having problems, with, say, graphics drivers or kernels, hopefully bugzilla will tell us that. I think

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I don't see why we need to ignore other prefixes. My concern was >>> simply do we run this for every prefix creation and store it within >>> th

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't see why we need to ignore other prefixes. My concern was >> simply do we run this for every prefix creation and store it within >> the prefix, or are we going to store it elsewhere, under for example: >> '~/.loca

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You guys need to realize that in any given day we, as developers, > destroy and recreate wineprefixes several times. Having a popup for > every wineprefix creation will be extremely annoying. If this can't > be done behi

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree.. and im curious: are there any other information bits we > would like to collect or display at firstrun / wineprefixcreate? If > people see other needs for it I think it might be appropriate for Wine > to have

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

> I don't see why we need to ignore other prefixes. My concern was > simply do we run this for every prefix creation and store it within > the prefix, or are we going to store it elsewhere, under for example: > '~/.local/wine/survey-status'. > > Either way, I'd love to see this done, I'm moreso jus

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:19 PM, James McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steven Edwards wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> If it's stored in WINEPREFIX, then each time a new prefix is used, >>> they'll get the prompt each time. Then again

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Steven Edwards wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If it's stored in WINEPREFIX, then each time a new prefix is used, >> they'll get the prompt each time. Then again, maybe most people aren't >> doing this. >> How are we tracking apps? By file

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Austin English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it's stored in WINEPREFIX, then each time a new prefix is used, > they'll get the prompt each time. Then again, maybe most people aren't > doing this. > How are we tracking apps? By filename/md5sum/filesize/installed fi

Re: Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > Just wanted to continue the thread from Wineconf about tracking usage > data in Wine. We had discussed adding an opt-in system at first run > where all invokations of Wine would send a token to WineHQ to

Wineconf follow up: Wine Usage Data Collection

Hello All, Just wanted to continue the thread from Wineconf about tracking usage data in Wine. We had discussed adding an opt-in system at first run where all invokations of Wine would send a token to WineHQ to track the number of times users run given applications to help direct development. Th