On 6/30/06, William Knop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) While I agree maintaining a staunch security policy is important,
that has nothing to do with autorun. Making the user browse to find
an executable is not security.
Yet again... when a user sticks an audio CD in his computer and gets
a
On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:01 AM, Tim Schmidt wrote:
On 6/30/06, William Knop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) While I agree maintaining a staunch security policy is important,
that has nothing to do with autorun. Making the user browse to find
an executable is not security.
Yet again... when a user
On Friday 30 June 2006 15:47, William Knop wrote:
2) The line you refer to I believe would put detecting media inserts
on the desktop environment side, and the parsing and execution of
windows autorun inf files on the wine side.
This is not true. The existing action-on-CD-insertion programs
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 29 June 2006 21:13, Vitaliy Margolen
wrote:
Chris if you think that autostart is such a great
idea - you are very
welcome to start sending patches in. And if they
are reasonable enough they
might get in. But if you want to rant about that
On 6/30/06, William Knop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, then in that situation the user wouldn't run `wine --media-
autorun /mountpoint/autorun.inf` either. I fail to see your point.
Hey... If all you want to do is write a parser for autorun.inf files
and attach it to a command line switch,
On 6/30/06, William Knop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Parsing a windows inf hardly belongs anywhere but wine.
Actually, Troy makes that point rather well in an earlier mail:
This is not true. The existing action-on-CD-insertion programs provided by the
desktop environment try to detect the
Forgive my lazyness and my bad english, but IMHO most of discussion
resembles MS Corporation behaviour by trying to decide what is good for a
user, and what is not. Hey, just let the user or his admin to decide
this.
IMO there should be just one checkbox in winecfg that rules
autorunability.
On 6/30/06, William Knop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Parsing a windows inf hardly belongs anywhere but wine.
Actually, Troy makes that point rather well in an earlier mail:
This is not true. The existing action-on-CD-insertion programs
provided by the
desktop environment try to detect the
Vijay Kiran Kamuju wrote:
hi,
I think HAL for linux should handle the automatic mounting and
autorunning it take care.
So it should be a part of HAL.
my 2 cents.
I strongly DISAGREE - as others have pointed out, the auto-running of
CDs is a severe mis-feature of Windows, one which we
On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:48:31AM -0500, David D. Hagood wrote:
Vijay Kiran Kamuju wrote:
hi,
I think HAL for linux should handle the automatic mounting and
autorunning it take care.
So it should be a part of HAL.
my 2 cents.
I strongly DISAGREE - as others have pointed out, the
On Thursday 29 June 2006 06:48, David D. Hagood wrote:
I strongly DISAGREE - as others have pointed out, the auto-running of
CDs is a severe mis-feature of Windows, one which we should NOT duplicate.
One could argue Windows itself is a mis-feature. :P Isn't the point of Wine to
duplicate
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One could argue Windows itself is a mis-feature. :P Isn't the point of Wine to
duplicate Windows, feature-for-feature and bug-for-bug? IMO, autorun
capabilities should be included, though I personally don't care if it's on or
off by default, as long as
Thats what I meant.
On 6/29/06, Vincent Povirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One could argue Windows itself is a mis-feature. :P Isn't the point of Wine to
duplicate Windows, feature-for-feature and bug-for-bug? IMO, autorun
capabilities should be
On 6/29/06, Vincent Povirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One could argue Windows itself is a mis-feature. :P Isn't the point of Wine to
duplicate Windows, feature-for-feature and bug-for-bug? IMO, autorun
capabilities should be included, though I
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:02:38 PM, William Knop wrote:
On 6/29/06, Vincent Povirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One could argue Windows itself is a mis-feature. :P Isn't the point of
Wine to
duplicate Windows, feature-for-feature and bug-for-bug?
On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:02:38 PM, William Knop wrote:
Having the ability to autorun cds is most definitely not a
misfeature.
Of course it's not. It's the perfect means of distributing trojans,
backdoors,
rootkits and other very useful
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 7:37:16 PM, William Knop wrote:
On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:02:38 PM, William Knop wrote:
Having the ability to autorun cds is most definitely not a
misfeature.
Of course it's not. It's the perfect means of
William Knop wrote:
On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:02:38 PM, William Knop wrote:
Having the ability to autorun cds is most definitely not a misfeature.
Of course it's not. It's the perfect means of distributing trojans,
backdoors,
rootkits
On Thursday 29 June 2006 07:49, you wrote:
what is the gain of autorun, while i dont have wine running? would not
the common user expect, once she knows, that wine support autorun.inf,
that she can insert a cd and away it goes? while the explorer.exe is
not running permanently - e.g. via
The Sony rootkit fiasco alone should be enough to end this conversation.
Period.
Say what you want about the theoretical integrity of the media, and
the user's security habits. The fact is that hundreds (possibly
thousands or millions) of _real_ people were infected by rootkits
because of
On Thursday 29 June 2006 20:31, Tim Schmidt wrote:
The Sony rootkit fiasco alone should be enough to end this conversation.
If you notice, Sony got into a lot of trouble over that. And the problem
wasn't autorun. The problem was that the disc installed the rootkit
anyway /even if the user said
Thursday, June 29, 2006, 8:33:24 PM, Chris wrote:
On Thursday 29 June 2006 07:49, you wrote:
what is the gain of autorun, while i dont have wine running? would not
the common user expect, once she knows, that wine support autorun.inf,
that she can insert a cd and away it goes? while the
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you notice, Sony got into a lot of trouble over that. And the problem
wasn't autorun. The problem was that the disc installed the rootkit
anyway /even if the user said no/. The same exact thing would've happened if
the user had to browse the CD and
On Thursday 29 June 2006 21:13, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
Chris if you think that autostart is such a great idea - you are very
welcome to start sending patches in. And if they are reasonable enough they
might get in. But if you want to rant about that Linux doesn't have some
absolutely required
Gee sounds like a great idea. We all waiting too see some patches...
It sure would be cool to have:
- Multiuser Wine
- Wine stable enough to run as service (err hmm whatever the hell
that means...
ah you mean daemon ?)
- Run something more complicated then 'printf(hello world\n);'
without
On 6/29/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you notice, Sony got into a lot of trouble over that. And the problem
wasn't autorun. The problem was that the disc installed the rootkit
anyway /even if the user said no/. The same exact thing would've happened if
the user had to browse the CD and
On 6/30/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like you missed my point.
I think you're missing our points Chris...
it's not inherently detramental (since the user would be instructed to manually
do
what autorun does automatically
Yeah. The Sony rootkit users would have gladly
On Jun 30, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Troy Rollo wrote:
On Friday 30 June 2006 14:52, William Knop wrote:
Um hold on a second. Clearly many developers have different ideas
about what's reasonable.
Actually I don't think that's true. As far as I can see all of the
*developers* participating in this
(FYI: I have no internet connection at the moment, so I say 'hi' to
all Wine developers!)
Wine is nortorious for NOT supporting Autorun. Sure, it's stupid to
load the autorun program right after the disk is inserted, but who
wants to have to parse the autorun.inf by hand?
So I wrote this little
Segin Noname wrote:
(FYI: I have no internet connection at the moment, so I say 'hi' to
all Wine developers!)
Wine is nortorious for NOT supporting Autorun.
Many people would say that is a fearute.
Ivan.
Segin Noname wrote:
So I wrote this little program.
To be totally honest I don't see the point, in 99.999% of CDs I've ever seen autorun starts some
file in the root folder of the CD (start.exe, setup.exe, install.exe, runme.exe, in any case
something obvious) and the CD usually comes with
hi,
I think HAL for linux should handle the automatic mounting and
autorunning it take care.
So it should be a part of HAL.
my 2 cents.
bye,
VJ
On 6/29/06, Ivan Leo Puoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Segin Noname wrote:
So I wrote this little program.
To be totally honest I don't see the
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