John,
My error, sorry about that.
But I disagree still with your comment. I think I may be being
misunderstood.
I'd argue that a company doing millions of dollars and/or Smaller High ARPU
business are LESS LIKELY to get higher Multiples.
The reason is that the businesses are already matured i
I can tell you from experience, confgiuring with VLAN can be encumbering
(we do it almost everywhere), and I don't recommend it for everyone. But
having the ability to configure it when you need it is really usefull. For
example, lets say I have two client off of one sector, and I want to run
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Mac Dearman wrote:
SUMMARY: USE THE SHOE THAT FITS - ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL - EVER!
This is good advice. For those that think I am "religous" regarding
this argument, are mis-reading my statements. I am only dispelling
bad information. At any rate, there is certainl
New.. www.highgainantennas.com. These are 2.4 though. You an do a 900 for
what, a bit over 300. We charge 350 to make sure we are in the green.
Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.2kwireless.com
2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along wit
Yes Mrlon,
Pulling cable in NoCAL, we made a 'y' for the compressor, Air in one side
sponge-on-line in the straight side. Gave it to the guys, one was a careful
guy. A little while later I pulled up to the site and the guys were all
laughing, "watch this ron!", they set it up for a 300' 'blow' a
Brad,
This is where I have to disagree with you... what type of CPE is much
more important for me than the backhaul used. As an example, if the CPE
is 802.11b and they have 1,000 customers, I have to visit 1,000
locations and upgrade every single customer. However, if they are using
Trango, C
I think in most cases I've seen they are referring to a multiple of yearly
revenue not monthly.
So your 12x monthly is equal to 1x yearly.
Determining a valuation of a company is rarely performed with only one
factor taken into account. Simply saying an operation is worth x times
yearly revenue
John,
During the last ten years we have purchased and sold several ISP's...
and I can tell you that you NEVER want to "purchase the corporation".
You want to do an "asset only purchase". So you are buying the equipment
(for whatever value you want to put on it) and the customer base. Then,
wh
So you are saying you haven't seen more than 2.5X the monthly revenue?
We sold a division of our company for 12X the monthly revenue + the FMV
of the equipment in 2001. The current going rate that I have seen is
more around 12X monthly + equipment infrastructure.
Travis
Microserv
Peter R. wro
Not sure I follow you Dennis- are you purchasing these new for this price or
is this what you are valuing them at takeover?
Chris
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Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:25 PM
To: 'WISP
lol...Butch beat me to the punch.
Marlon stated:
>How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed
>network? gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does
>a /30 use up four?
I still don't see how you add what you stated above as three:
Network (1)
Gateway (2)
IP
A seller doesn't necessarilly need to allow the buyer to get an ROI on the
existing revenue that he is buying.
The buyer gets an ROI on the increased revenue (above what the company is
already doing) that he generates after he buys it.
If someone has a network that runs itself, and has clients
John Scrivner wrote:
From a resell standpoint, at that moment in time, your company could
well be worth less than what you paid to build it. It is just like
driving a car off the lot. It depreciates thousands of dollars the
first few feet off the lot.
CLEC's are a great example of not get
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Nobody in unlicensed is going to get 6X
Thats where you are wrong. However, the value of a higher Multiple is
relevent to the amount of customers one has and what stage of
development the company is in.
Nope. No one is currently paying 6X. Most I have seen is 2.5X.
Co
We operate in Mendocino county and boarder Humboldt county, and I've
been listening to this bullshit for years. Let me tell you straight up -
from the mouth of someone actually doing it - the 'problem' is not lack
of acces to fiber. The problem only is access to sufficient capital in
order t
Amen & Amen
Well said and I must confess - - way shorter than my previous post :-)
Mac
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Routed vs b
Marlon says:
How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed network?
* One!
gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does a /30 use up four?
* That depends on how many clients you have off that AP. I generally use a
/24 at each tower - or a group of smaller towers. T
I can't believe I am getting involved in this...
First, routing is not bad, or the best solution. Bridging is not bad, or the
best solution.
Network DESIGN is the solution.
A hybrid network DESIGNED by a competent network person will outperform a
pure bridged network or a pure routed network any
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed
network? gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does
a /30 use up four?
The customer will still use 1.
Either way, by bridging each customer only needs one.
your customer
Welcome Frank!
I am really glad to see you here and even more glad to see you and your
Company becoming a part of WISPA. I feel that we will be good for each other
and look forward to a long fruitful relationship.
Sincerely,
Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
Rayville, La.
www.inetsouth.com
www.rad
David Smith said:
"You never know.
Thanks to irony, my apartment is in a dead spot, where I can't get my own
company's wireless service, so I've got a cable modem at home. Right now, my
home router's IP address is assigned from a /20 - the router reports my
network mask as 255.255.224.0, an
Tom, I do not mind having my posts clipped for content when replying but
I do mind it when you do it mid-sentence and change what I said. My
sentence read, "Nobody in unlicensed is going to get 6X unless they have
a network doing 10s of millions of dollars a year in revenues or a
smaller networ
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From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Routed vs bridged (again)...
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
It's a very high cost. Why does every residential user need t
How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed network?
gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does a /30 use up four?
Either way, by bridging each customer only needs one.
The benefits that come with routing to each customer can be made up for by
using a router and/o
Nobody in unlicensed is going to get 6X
Thats where you are wrong. However, the value of a higher Multiple is
relevent to the amount of customers one has and what stage of development
the company is in.
For example, If I bulit a network today, the very first day after it was
turned live, the
Thank you John, for that kind introduction. I am looking forward to working
with WISPA and supporting the members of the association. While I have not
operated or worked for a WISP, there are many of the same issues I once had
when operating our dialup ISP.
If I may, I would like to provide a lit
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On 12/3/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Somethings don't need proof, to be known to be true.
I also don't feel there are many real world evaluations that give
credability to what a valuation can end up being based on equipment.
There are to many factors in a sale, to know exactly why
Butch Evans wrote:
There are nearly 4000 (unfortunately not all mine :-) 100meg customers
on that network.
I don't want to argue this point, because I just don't have enough
information about the network. I seriously doubt, though, that all
those customers are all on a single /20 network (w
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The big thing here is... Is one selling revenue or selling a network?
Both. No way around it.
If one is selling revenue, the buyer could probably care less what
allows the revenue to happen.
I have been looking at other WISPs around me for possible merge /
acquisition a
The real significant value will come when AP bandwdith management will allow
bandwdith management on individual VLAN tags.
Meaning, if 10 customers reside behind 1 CPE, 10 seperate bandwidth
management assignments can be made for them.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wirel
Somethings don't need proof, to be known to be true.
I also don't feel there are many real world evaluations that give
credability to what a valuation can end up being based on equipment.
There are to many factors in a sale, to know exactly why the price was or
wasn't gotten.
My proof is just my
I always get jealous when I hear the stories where people can pull off using
Omni's in 900.
In our neck of the woods it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 360 degree of free spectrum
on the same channel.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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I agree than name brand gear, is a safer bet for a WISP, which is why I
primarilly use Name brand certified gear.
However your been there done that areguement for 802.11B does not apply.
There is a BIG difference between todays flexible 802.11a gear and last
generation legacy 802.11b.
Tom DeR
The big thing here is... Is one selling revenue or selling a network?
If one is selling revenue, the buyer could probably care less what allows
the revenue to happen.
But personally, I Don;t want to jsut sell revenue, I want to get credit for
my infrastructure also.
If a network is installed rig
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