On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is true, however, it misses the point I was making. When engineering
a network, one part of that task to to select equipment. There is some gear
that is more suited to specific types of tasks than is other gear that
Hi,
A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge
company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio
that we play with. We have their "up to 3meg premium service" and we
barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months).
Here's the real
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear?
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM
To:
Yes.
Gino Villarini wrote:
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear?
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Sent:
Are they doing self-install?
Is there a contract required?
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes.
Gino Villarini wrote:
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear?
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
with 14.48 Mbps on Comcast. The FiOS system didn't
offer Sci Fi HD, which Fowler's testing showed at 12.59 Mbps on Comcast.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_hi_te/compressed_hd;_ylt=AuEPJDRe3CN7TvgY1hhBuN0jtBAF
http://www.digitalbridgecommunications.com
Scott Reed wrote:
Are they doing self-install?
Is there a contract required?
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes.
Gino Villarini wrote:
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear?
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless
This depends on your market and how you're running your business. If you've
made decisions that were risky and didn't pan out, and you're getting phone
calls left and right and your kids don't see you... Sell and have a better
life.
For those of us who are working hard but not in crisis mode
showed at 12.59 Mbps on Comcast.
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Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that
citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting?
There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that
is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend
their EA, but
Tower lighting is Regulated by the FCC, and I don't think they will change
the way they regulate towering lighting.
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM
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Asking politely often works wonders.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008
Yeahbut, I don't believe strobes are mandated. I think red obstruction
lighting is always an option.
American towers used white strobes in lots of rural areas around here. All
the broadcasters are still red.
If it really bugged me, I would offer to pay for the conversion to red if
they would
We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors
called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day
and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the
neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty
quickly so I
I will say, as a pilot, I do appreciate the white strobes during the day.
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From: Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
We had the same thing about
My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights
installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many
tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting)
of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the
Rick Harnish wrote:
My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights
installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many
tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting)
of their towers. A night/day system which
Over 200 they have to light. That is for certain. But I have seen taller
that were lit with strobes and not painted.
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From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower
I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about
the strobe is true.
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Actually, most of that $40M would have been for spectrum acquisition,
which in the accounting world is marked as an asset. They also
constructed a major NOC center. The wireless hardware is a small
minority of the spending.
Patrick
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I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only
partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on
the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it).
The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong
opportunities for a long
Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering
higher speeds, for less money, with less cost per CPE and AP... and I
have 10x the coverage they do in my market.
The GM even mentioned and if Sprint or Clearwire were to come to town
with a check, we would definitely look at
WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No?
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From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only
partially
Nope. Thats untrue.
You can elect to strobe the tower during the
day, and use either the white strobe or red lights
during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even
if over 200 feet.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor
Just a different model Travis. You have a good business that continues
to scale and you have a strong local connection. What DBC is not evil
and they are doing extraordinarily well so far. They have a model that
is working for them.
The best point is that you and they prove there is room for both
And actually, the bit about over 200 you HAVE to light has
exceptions.
You can ask for an exception if the tower is close to a taller
tower that is lit. It has to be very close.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card
But if you don't strobe in day do you have to paint?
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From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Nope. Thats untrue.
You can elect to strobe the tower
The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint
the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white
pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting
the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement
I would not guess that the issue is the strobe during
the day, but the issue would be the strobe at night.
Leaving the strobe, and changing it to a dual mode
system is do-able, and will not require the tower to
be painted.
If they have an issue with the strobe during the day, they
need to get
Correct. In order to not paint, you have to
strobe the tower during the day.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great
headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of
hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo
Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was
trying to
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that
aren't painted.
Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then.
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Bryan Scott
lol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that
aren't painted.
haha, nice comment there at the end...
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject:
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that
aren't painted.
Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then.
The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party
information is either substantiated or shredded to
Finally!! Some closure. :)
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Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Okay, here are the rules from the source:
Walmart has everything!
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:22 AM
Patrick,
If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say:
2 miles los?
2 miles wooded?
5 m los?
5 m nlos?
10 m los?
10 m nlos
??
Is this a fair question?
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central
Okay, here are the rules from the source:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21/$FILE/AC70_7460_1K.pdf
Generally, towers over 200' or that rise above a projected plane of
protection (no pun intended) around a public
This should be interesting...
Brad
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Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
Patrick,
If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
what are the real
The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy
speeds beyond 7 miles.
I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the
room.
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From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Like so many things in this business, it depends on the frequency, power
and especially the channel size (which are small in licensed
allocations).
In theory, you could do 70 mbps and 30 miles with a number of
technologies given the right channel size and power.
WiMAX does offer really high
MT-485025/SVH/E
I am looking for these from MTI. Anyone know of a US distributer that
might have stock?
It is a dual pol 23 dbi that goes on the 1 foot enclosure. I am making
some backhauls.
Brian
WISPA
Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher,
that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy
vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX).
By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same
channel size.
Patrick Leary
AVP, Market
Brad, that's bull. The only reason any Alvarion person won't say what
the speed is is because they might not be sure, and since the 3650 is in
beta, no one Can say with honesty and certainty what the speeds of
BreezeMAX 3650 are. We can guess, but the person who spoke to you is
likely junior,
Speed is the only thing I have to sell. 5.4 has opened up plenty of BW for
us now. I am fine with 20MHz channels. So what we are shopping for is
something that will give our customers a 25 Mbps download speed in a 20-25
MHz channel UL at a price that will not break the bank. Mot OFDM is
OK, so what is the answer to the question below?
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From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
Patrick,
If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
what are the real
I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have
deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more
payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size,
distance and signal level?
-Matt
On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
Exactly.
By the way, the public presentations we have on this have specific
slides that give expectations on range using various CPE. Those will be
released just prior to the mid-May launch.
Patrick
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
I get that Chuck. I was just trying to make sure people knew we were not
talking about apples to apples. Channel size is key for ANY technology
in terms of capacity and comparing capacities in the absence of making
clear the channel size being discussed will be misleading.
Patrick
-Original
Holy bat guano robin. I was hoping these things would be a good filler for
the smaller areas.
Do they have a down up ratio adjust to make them symmetrical for BH use?
Any range data?
Can they do Canopy ranges?
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From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA
More Testing with the NS5:
Using 5 Mhz channels ...
17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ...
Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting
and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio
All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ...
Gino A.
Right, so do you have a grid, graph or nomograph or something that can give
us an idea?
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From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
I get that Chuck. I was just
We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For
those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500
MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah and it was tested 2.7 miles NLOS at -82
RSSI. If we tweaked for throughput as opposed to latency we could beat
that.
They don't have a down/up ratio control , but all my test seem like the
subscriber unit allotted more BW for Downlink ... No Range data yet...
the tx power goes from 0 to 24 db ...Not Bad, and you have that external
sma connector for panels , grids and dishes
You have the option to software
Yep. It is the efficiency of WiMAX that plays the role here. We can do
about 12 mbps net as a peak rate in a 5 MHz channel, but that is not
something you'd offer customers in a sector you were looking to scale.
Patrick
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We prefer to be allowed to break the WiMAX standard and tweak things
more to our liking. For example, 3.5 and 7 Mhz channels are annoying
for only 25Mhz of spectrum. It would be nice to have access to 5 and
14 Mhz channel widths.
-Matt
On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same
channel size.
Unless there have been some terrific changes made to Alvarion VL since our
last run around the block with it, your statement will only hold true in RF
friendly environments. Add a healthy dose of
You said it Patrick, not me!
I completely agree that it's bull an Alvarion rep that cold called me
couldn't/wouldn't give me any idea as to what the expected payload will be
for the 3650 gear. As if we are to believe Alvarion has no idea what the
gear will be able to produce. Geesh
Best,
Patrick,
Excellent point on channel sizes!
So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , 5.X, 3.6
(we are in a big exclusion zone.)
I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers.
Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes?
Would it use the same
In three years' time, 20 typical households will generate more traffic than
the entire Internet today.
I'm sure that's a typo, it better be, or I KNOW I'm in trouble! :)
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
I'm not sure what RSTP is and don't want to research it currently,
but I can tell you about one painful scenario:
a few years ago, Thinkpads (might have been IBM, or maybe it was just
after the Lenovo change) shipped with some software that offered to
help you manage the wireless
Travis,
Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router?
I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted
outside.
thanks
PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are
mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for
I've used the same list and when I got to Buffalo I stopped. I have
installed wireless routers and bridges (especially to IQeye hi-res cameras
w/multi-megapixel images) and these never had been rebooted in a year and
a half...and, the connection is like a wire...no lockups, no hiccups, no
strange
Hi,
We use both Linksys and Netgear. Yes, they have problems... but when we
are giving it away free, we have to balance "number of reboots required
per year" vs. cost of the router. ;)
Travis
Microserv
John Valenti wrote:
Travis,
Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless
On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Jeff Booher wrote:
Ill be happy to answer this.
On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Rogelio wrote:
Excuse the ignorance, but two basic questions:
(1) Why exactly is wimax such a disappointment?
Wimax is not a dissapointment. The problem is
I have not had as good luck with the Buffalo's. They tend to lose their
settings more frequently than our router of choice. We use the Linksys
WRT54GL (note the l) routers exclusively now. We load DD-WRT on them to
boost the power a little and give us the flexibility to do WDS with two of
them
That's cool. Where was this located? I'm curious
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Tom Warfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My wife drove about 70 mph and maintaned a ssh session I was working in
for 3 hours.
Then I was done working so I turned off the box.
Not bad :)
-Original
Winncom in Chicago
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
MT-485025/SVH/E
I am looking for these from MTI. Anyone know of a US distributer that
might have stock?
It is a dual pol 23 dbi that goes on the 1 foot enclosure. I am
making some backhauls.
Brian
Well, you agree with my son who swears by the DD-WRT-load in a Linksys.
...live and learn.
. . . J o n a t h a n
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