Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
We are fully mortgaged to the RUS on our ILEC operation. 5% money was hard to turn down. But yes, they want all the security it is possible to get. - Original Message - From: "Todd Brandenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: R

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Todd Brandenburg
For your information (since I'm assuming your referring to us) that we went through a full 2 1/2 years with the RUS to make the decision not to take the loans. The main reason (which is a huge one) that we turned down the deal was that the government wanted first lien position on not only the e

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Some months we have 30 signups, and no calls. Other times we have 10 and 2 of them call. I'd say you should expect about 2-3 calls a month per month per building if your service doesn't go offline. And even if it does they don't always call. All the signups are done online with no calls to u

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Some months we have 30 signups, and no calls. Other times we have 10 and 2 of them call. I'd say you should expect about 2-3 calls a month per month per building if your service doesn't go offline. And even if it does they don't always call. All the signups are done online with no calls to u

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Doug or others doing low arpu MTU residential, How do you handle support for the services. Are you doing it as best effort, without support? Or are there tricks of the trade to doing it effectively? When your users, are getting service cheap, are they learning to be more tech savy on their own?

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Just recently, somebody posted an arcticle on this list, regarding this. The FCC ruled forbidding carrier's to force "exclusive contracts" on property owners. Meaning if the Provider required "exclusivity", that the property owner had the right to void the agreement, or allow new additional pro

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Rogelio
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: > We've done a lot of condos. For free wifi, a 2.4 mesh network like > open-mesh covers most decent sized condos (~100 units) for less than a > grand. Then you can charge $5/unit, blow away the cable company and > have the thing paid back in 3 months. I haven't yet play

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Doug, There are many cases like yours, that had shown to be successfull, selling at low margin. Its sounds like you've found a good way to do it. However, as a note to others that are thinking to get into that segment of the market... There are a couple drawbacks... Often the support is neede

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Randy Cosby
Can you elaborate on what type of contracts were rendered unenforceable exactly? Randy Tom DeReggi wrote: > PS. Those contracts were jsut rendered uninforcible (not grandfathered) > based on recent legislation, from my understanding. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixe

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
PS. Those contracts were jsut rendered uninforcible (not grandfathered) based on recent legislation, from my understanding. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Tom Sharples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" S

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
No, but those numbers sound about right to make it worth while to a Cable Co. There is no benefit for a cable co to offer wifi, when they already offer cable, that technically can deliver better speed inside the building. So they need to price their Wifi, at about the same revenue that they'd r

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I thought the FCC tore down those contracts. ryan -Original Message- From: Tom Sharples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts We've done a fair number of these too, by adding a secon

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Tom Sharples
We've done a fair number of these too, by adding a second radio on 2.4 for wifi access on the back of our 5Ghz surveillance networks. The biggest issue has been that many of the multi-tenant facilities have onerous long-term (e.g. 3-year) contracts in place with Comcast that have to lapse before

Re: [WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
We've done a lot of condos. For free wifi, a 2.4 mesh network like open-mesh covers most decent sized condos (~100 units) for less than a grand. Then you can charge $5/unit, blow away the cable company and have the thing paid back in 3 months. We also install pay on demand which has had mode

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread reader
In my area, a local WISP applied for every loan and grant that exists for a hundred miles or more in all directions.They didn't use any of the loan proceeds, but it prevented anyone else from getting it - which was what they were after. - Original Mes

[WISPA] MSOs investing heavily in wi-fi rollouts

2008-06-24 Thread Rogelio
One trend I'm seeing is for cable companies to purchase a ubiquitous wifi infrastructure in new areas. These numbers aren't too far off from some numbers I saw yesterday: --$50K to put in ubiquitous wifi for a time share condo (retail is way more, like $70K; but MSOs get discounts) --$20/mo for

Re: [WISPA] CCIE Wireless

2008-06-24 Thread Larry Yunker
How much of a share in the WISP market does Cisco hold? It seems to me that a Cisco specific exam would do little to prove one's worth in the WISP market. Besides, at least half of the work in implementing a good wireless solution comes in at the routing level rather than the physical level. - L

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
BTW, the WISPs did in fact have to build the community center, and staff it, and do classes etc. Big pain in my opinion. So in the cases I know of (I am the upstream provider for a couple of these) they did do all they were supposed to do. I will have to argue the point the loans are easier to

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Nope, not an exception at all. Happened all over the west. Grants handed out like crackerjack prizes. First to file for an area was the first to get it irrespective of whether or not there was an ILEC or RBOC in the area serving. They have greatly slowed down due to some massive screw-up due

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thats a croc. If that was done, it was the exception, that was snuck under the radar and done against the rules. And could be easilly protested by the DSL service providers previously in existence serving the area. Not that I would protest a WISP winning money. Chuck, Are you sure you aren't t

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well, my targeted area for RUS, was disqualified the first year because it was a CDA instead of a Township. So we got the rules changed. Second year, when Verizon heard what we were up to, they decided to selectively deploy Broadband to like 3 people, to disqualify our area, again. Its really to