We are fully mortgaged to the RUS on our ILEC operation. 5% money was hard to turn down. But yes, they want all the security it is possible to get.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Brandenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > For your information (since I'm assuming your referring to us) that we > went through a full 2 1/2 years with the RUS to make the decision not to > take the loans. The main reason (which is a huge one) that we turned down > the deal was that the government wanted first lien position on not only > the equipment but the whole company, which was a non starter in the end. > As I look back to 2003 it was best decision we made because we did not > have to be beholding to the government and all the red tape. As it was, > we invested too much time and energy while the government wrote the rules > and procedures at our expense. If they held up these markets it was not > on our doing but rather the government lack of re-releasing them. The way > it was as I remember is that "substantial broadband service" was mostly > already available through other providers already (LEC, MSO, etc). > > I guess before you make claims and assumptions you better have your facts > straight... > > > Todd Brandenburg > President > PocketiNet Communications, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2008-06-24 09:51 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > In my area, a local WISP applied for every loan and grant that exists for > a > hundred miles or more in all directions. They didn't use any of the > loan > proceeds, but it prevented anyone else from getting it - which was what > they > were after. > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:53 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> BTW, the WISPs did in fact have to build the community center, and staff >> it, >> and do classes etc. Big pain in my opinion. So in the cases I know of >> (I >> am the upstream provider for a couple of these) they did do all they were >> supposed to do. >> I will have to argue the point the loans are easier to get the grants. >> It >> typically takes me 3 years to get a new loan for a new ILEC that has >> never >> borrowed before. I have seen the WISP grants go through in 6 months or >> less. Huge difference. I know for a fact that one WISP (nationwide >> outfit >> the filed for everything on the map) lied about the areas being >> underserved >> or unserved. They filed on areas we actually serve as a WISP. We took >> the >> RUS field rep around and proved to him that not only was there DSL in the >> area but a WISP too. Not alot of due diligence was done by the RUS in >> these >> cases. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >> >> >>> Thats a croc. If that was done, it was the exception, that was snuck >>> under >>> the radar and done against the rules. And could be easilly protested by >>> the >>> DSL service providers previously in existence serving the area. Not >>> that >>> I >>> would protest a WISP winning money. >>> >>> Chuck, >>> Are you sure you aren't talking about RUS loans? Its much easier getting >>> RUS >>> loans. The Community Connect grant program was very specific on its >>> rules. >>> One loop holes was, if you found one area that met the qualification, >>> you >>> could use the funds to build your backhaul through served areas. The RUS >>> money couldn't be used for the end user deployments in that area, but so >>> what, a WISP could afford that, once they got a grant to pay for the >>> Backhaul and towers. >>> >>> The RUS grant wasn't really designed for a WISP's typical model. It was >>> more >>> designed to build the "community center" and the staff to run it, and >>> teach >>> the community, more than it was to bring broadband to the homes >>> themselves. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>> >>> >>>>I can show you towns that have DSL where the RUS gave a local WISP a >>>>very >>>> nice grant to put in service. >>>> The RUS is even loaning companies to compete with RBOCs. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>> >>>> >>>>> The RUS programs I checked into are for towns with no broadband. The >>>>> local >>>>> Rural Co-op telco has at least a few DSL modems in every town in the >>>>> county. >>>>> Guess where they got the money for the towns with a "few." Yup, you >>>>> got >>>>> it. >>>>> I was also told that the USDA will not loan or grant you money if you >>>>> are >>>>> going to be in direct competition with someone thay have already >>>>> granted >>>>> or >>>>> loaned money too, I do not know how much truth there is to this. >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:44 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The RUS grant program is ideal >>>>>> for guys like you. >>>>> >>>>> Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian >>>>> tribes, >>>>> based on the majority winners. >>>>> You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township >>>>> less >>>>> than 500 people. >>>>> With some exception of course. >>>>> >>>>> But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for >>>>> many >>>>> Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good >>>>> proven >>>>> ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program >>>>>> is >>>>>> ideal >>>>>> for guys like you. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of >>>>>>> 1600 in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the >>>>>>> local co-op telco is missing some of that providing the service >>>>>>> beyond dialup along with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you >>>>>>> (if >>>>>>> the FCC does not change their ways with giving the rural co-ops >>>>>>> everything they ask for, and I have already been in this discussion >>>>>>> with Chuck, we never had even ISDN until 2003 or so) that you have >>>>>>> FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just because, they give the more >>>>>>> populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do the less populated. >>>>>>> Hum, >>>>>>> does that follow their strategy? Not wanting to start a war >>>>>>> here....we cover the places the gov't funded co-ops, do NOT. Where >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op does not? Not >>>>>>> wanting a politcal war here either....just thinking the current >>>>>>> "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >>>>>>> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough >>>>>>> competition. They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I >>>>>>> invite anyone to provide evidence that they REALLY do! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could >>>>>>>>> not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called >>>>>>>>> gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think >>>>>>>>> their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in >>>>>>>>> the last 6 to 8 years. 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