Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Baird
Using only 20 mhz, notice the airspeed is 130/117 which is pretty close to full modulation. Regards Michael Baird I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some noise issues hurting throughput. This

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-27 Thread ralphlists
I don't know why the term ISM Band even got created. I think it is just from the blurring of terms. ISM is a licensed service (Part 18) and it is authorized in many frequency ranges from DC to Daylight. What we do is Part 15. So are the 49 MHz baby monitors, walkie-talkies, remote thermometers.

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Now Hams are coming to us wanting Internet bandwidth for interconnecting the D-Star digital repeaters that Icom makes. Makes for a nice trade for tower rent on some towers a WISP may not normally easily access. I have had this happen to me as well, hams are letting me use tower space in exchange

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL This should be good. Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall,

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Mike
Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Chuck Hogg
For small repeater sites (less than 40 subs) we'll do the following: These our QLW prices without special discounts: RB/433 : $76 XR2: $99 XR5: $99 DCE: $45 Pigtail: $11.50 x2 NM-NM Jumper: $18.50 x 2 2.4Ghz x12dB Omni: $70 RJ45-ECS: $6.60 ARC 5823 Panel: 43 ~$500 + s/h 100' Cat5 run at $.17/ft

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Good water tight box, $200+. The ones from Tessco are 60-100 Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). I buy premade LMR400 and a N female bulkhead, I'd say $15 or 20 total MT 433 AH board, $100ish I only use one

Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com ???

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Calling 626-243-2110 makes it sound like they're under water (literally). Maybe some network issues? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston

[WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Cameron Kilton
They just called me and made me aware that they just received their FCC cert in 5.3 and 5.4 bands. They have a 3x3 MIMO PTP product. I'll probably get a test pair to play with. The bigger news, does this mean the FCC is going to start craking out the certs again yippy! -- Thanks,

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Greg Ihnen
On 2x2 MIMO they use V and H polarization. How do they do 3x3? What's the third polarization? Greg On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote: They just called me and made me aware that they just received their FCC cert in 5.3 and 5.4 bands. They have a 3x3 MIMO PTP product. I'll

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Yunker
For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows

[WISPA] bandwidth available

2010-04-27 Thread Marco Coelho
Anyone needing bandwidth within our service range contact me off-list. We recently turned up a couple of Gig in fiber and have some good pricing available. Here's our service area: http://www.argontech.net/Map/wirelessmap.html Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
It's a backup. On 4/27/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: On 2x2 MIMO they use V and H polarization. How do they do 3x3? What's the third polarization? Greg On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote: They just called me and made me aware that they just received their FCC

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Gino Villarini
They have 3 pol antennas available Dual slant and vertical Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's a backup. On 4/27/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: On 2x2 MIMO they use V and H polarization. How do

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Liam Cummings
That's what I say. I just don't want to pay someone to write code when if I spend a little time researching I can usually find a product that already does what I need. We already provide network monitoring and other services of this type to clients so shouldn't be a problem on the wisp side of

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Wouldn't slant effect vertical and horizontal? On 4/27/10, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: They have 3 pol antennas available Dual slant and vertical Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's a backup.

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Patrick Cole
All poles have only have a limited level of seperation. Most horizonal and vertical dual polarised antennas only have about 30 dB of seperation between the poles. You will notice if you use two radios of similar frequency on different poles of these antennas it does not work well due to the

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Greg Ihnen
Isn't the spatial diversity technique you mentioned what's used on consumer grade MIMO routers (it uses one of the MIMO radios or another)? On the backhaul type radios (with 2x2) aren't both chains running concurrently? Greg On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Patrick Cole wrote: All poles have

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, WDS adds significant overhead. But.. its not a real problem because there is a hardware solution to fix it. Thats why I've been an advocate for faster processor CPE SBCs for like ever. And its why we dont use low cost $50 slow processor CPEs. When using 533Mhz and 680mMhz processors it

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
No because... they may not all get used for Transmit and Receive. technically, for a well designed product using some sort of time space delay as the mechanism for seperation, having pol diversity is not necessarilly required, as polarity is not the technique to acheive seperation. It also is

Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB 8150

2010-04-27 Thread Patrick Cole
Spot on; in the case of the QB8100, the third pole does not add any additional carriers or throughput directly. It does serve to improve sensitivity/receive levels due to the spatial diversity. This will help increase throughput and reliability in noisy or multipath prone environments as Tom

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as possible. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700 LOL This

Re: [WISPA] bandwidth available

2010-04-27 Thread Mike
Marco, could you just mail me some? I have a hard time finding wholesale bandwidth in my market; I wish I was closer. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, April 27,

Re: [WISPA] XR9 RouterOS TX Power Setting

2010-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman
What about the XR2 and XR5? I would expect all three to be in the same boat. I had one AP that had all of the customers reassociating every minute or two and solved the problem by lowering the tx power by 3 or 6 dbm so the XR5 seems to be correct in this sense. On 4/27/10, Robert West