[WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Optimum Wireless Services
Hello. Thought I share this with the list. I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He was explaining that he finds the bullets outperforms the

Re: [WISPA] MikroTik as Load Balancer?

2011-02-14 Thread Nick Olsen
I found that load balancing in a NAT environment was much better handled with PCC. Might not fit for you, Just something to look at. /2cents http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/PCC Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Rubens Kuhl

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/14/2011 08:50 AM, OptimumWS wrote: Hello. Thought I share this with the list. I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He was explaining that he

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco line card

2011-02-14 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Ask this on [c-nsp], you'll get a response there. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 2/12/2011 6:59 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Has anyone ever used a Cisco 3GE-GBIC-SC line card in a

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Brian Webster
I agree with Fred. It's not about the number of clients that causes the problem. The physical separation of the radios is probably the key factor in the increased performance. Putting multiple radios with possibly leaky pigtails inside the same enclosure can introduce opportunities for

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Stuart Pierce
The thin pigtail decides the number of clients ? lol, more likely the signal loss in the pigtail causes low signal on clients causing all kinds of problems, making it look like it is caused by a certain number. Depending on hardware used for the Tik box, it probably out performs the Bullet.

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-14 Thread John Scrivner
I think we should consider supporting it only as our fallback position. I think our primary mission should be on bringing awareness that it makes no sense to raise government money by selling off the one asset (spectrum) required to bring affordable and plentiful broadband to the masses to the

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Butch Evans
On 02/14/2011 07:50 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wrote: Hello. Thought I share this with the list. I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-14 Thread Sam Tetherow
StarOS 1.3.23b.v.fcc They are Lucaya x4000s which I believe are gateworks boards with wlm54agp23 cards On 2/10/11 5:58 PM, RickG wrote: Whats the StarOS running on? What type of cards? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Sam Tetherowtethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Can't speak to the 2.4GHz gear,

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-14 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/14/2011 11:30 AM, John Scrivner wrote: I think we should consider supporting it only as our fallback position. I think our primary mission should be on bringing awareness that it makes no sense to raise government money by selling off the one asset (spectrum) required to bring affordable and

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Scott Reed
So now you have lots of good explanations for what the differences are. Another part of it is that if you do the calculations, you will find 2 things. First, the current in the cable is minuscule, so the loss because of current is basically non-existent. Secondly, the current does not go up

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread chris
My experience is that with the crappy little grey or black pigtails your signal sucks. The copper braided pigtails like the Laird/Pac ones seem to do great. Not that I 'm downing Wisp-router, but they have always carried the crappy ones. I have avoided ordering any pigtails from them for quite

[WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link. MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other. Version 4.16 on both units. Both units have MT R52Hn cards. 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper. Signal strength is -65 to -65 on

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
After posting I recalculated what the signal strength should be and it turns out to be mid 50's. So I guess there is defiantly wrong in the rf system some where. On 2/14/2011 12:00 PM, Data Technology wrote: Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
If it were me, I would check that LMR and all that other garbage. Use the ARC 23dbi panel/enclosures. You'll lose 10dbi (less because of LMR400, connectors, pigtails, N connectors) but you'll have less to worry about when ice gets on the antenna (IME last week - none). Everything is enclosed

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
Agreed. The overall cost is not that high compared to the time lost picking at it. I'd rather test and troubleshoot at the bench. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:14 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-14 Thread John Scrivner
(Of course when I point out the same thing to netheads, that TCP/IP is terribly obsolete, they look at me like I'm nuts, but then they're inside the belly of their beast too.) If you have a link to any of your past writings along that regard I would very much like to see them. Just give us

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-14 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/14/2011 01:40 PM, you wrote: (Of course when I point out the same thing to netheads, that TCP/IP is terribly obsolete, they look at me like I'm nuts, but then they're inside the belly of their beast too.) If you have a link to any of your past writings along that regard I would very

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
This was not my design. I would not have used a pac grid on a link like this. Ice on them will cause them to drop signal. I would have used a 2 ft dish for this link but I think I will look at the arc panels. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 12:20 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Agreed. The overall cost is

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC wireless 23dbi panel/enclosures. Very lightweight solution (compared to a two foot dish!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at

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Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
Looking at these panels, it looks like you would not easily change a card or board on the tower. Can these panels be swapped out without having to re-align? LaRoy On 2/14/2011 1:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I've never had to swap them so I can't speak from first hand experience. Also, when I replace something - it's the whole thing. I don't not tinker around with a tiny mini pci card when it's raining or 0*F. Raise the whole thing up, whole thing down. To answer your question, you need to replace

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
The mount attaches to the enclosure, and the antenna screws to the enclosure. You can remove the whole thing from the mount, work on it, and put it back on the mount without losing alignment. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
You could remove the 4 bolts to remove the antenna/enclosure part, yes. Not sure how in the world you'd take the 8mm nuts off on a tower and not lose one! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jerry

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Butch Evans
On 02/14/2011 01:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC wireless 23dbi panel/enclosures. Very lightweight solution (compared to a two foot dish!) http://tinyurl.com/4jqqq2h is a complete system (with routerboard,

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
That's the one, but I would DEFINITELY use an XR5 for a ptp link. Voltage/board depends on your particular link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
I have tried those in the past and not had good luck with them. They don't seem to be as sensitive as other cards. I used to use mostly cm9's but have been using the MT R52Hn cards. You get the power and they seem to receive better than the XR5's. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
My experience shows the complete opposite and all other reports have agreed with me. Not arguing, just emerging facts. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I have

[WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

2011-02-14 Thread Nick
Anyone have a 25Mbps+ circuit with a Mikrotik on the edge that I could run some bandwidth tests to? The most I have access to at the moment is 10meg with a Mikrotik on it. I just installed a bonded DSL setup, and want to test the speeds Thanks Nick

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Data Technology
I hear ya. I know a lot of people swear by them. I just know I have tried them 4-5 different times and they never work as well as I think they should. I can pull it out and use a CM9 or R52Hn and get better receive by a couple of db or more. On 2/14/2011 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
Actually, in the technical specificationsthe R52HN claims to be better than a XR5. I have not used any R52HN for comparison. RX Sensitivity at 54mbit is -80 with R52HN vs -74 for XR5. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
http://speed.inxwireless.com If it has to be MT let me know off list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote: Anyone have a 25Mbps+ circuit with a Mikrotik on the

Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I think the r52hn is ideal for a cheap CPE radio. Cheap and works well. It does N, too, but that's besides this discussion. Just not quite up there in terms of a ptp link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

2011-02-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Ok that doesn't mean everyone on the list has to try the speed test =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: http://speed.inxwireless.com If it has to be

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

2011-02-14 Thread Mike Hammett
There's about 400 megs free on this pipe. Can I try? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/14/2011 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ok that doesn't mean everyone on the list has to try the speed test =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

2011-02-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
Let me know, one of our speeds tests to a client last weekend was 350 meg .:) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net

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Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Optimum Wireless Services
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 11:59 -0600, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: My experience is that with the crappy little grey or black pigtails your signal sucks. The copper braided pigtails like the Laird/Pac ones seem to do great. Not that I 'm downing Wisp-router, but they have always carried the

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread chris
That's just plain ignorant! 6 radios? I think the o=most I have ever attempted was 2 in one unit. I've heard too many horror stories...! Actually in this town there's another wisp using a vertical omni and a horizontal omni. Plus the town is only like 2k pop. I ran like that for the better part

Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

2011-02-14 Thread Blair Davis
I use a lot of omni's... 5-10 cust each... The most radio's I have in one box is 3... one on 2.4GHz, one on 900MHz, one on 5.8GHz And one other with one on 2.4GHz, one on 5.3GHz, and one on 5.8GHz And my experience with pigtails has been the opposite...