So whats the latest? Is there any equipment available for this? Whats
the deal with this group?
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Agreed..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:19 AM
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Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client
.
Call me at 618-206-4190
Or skype mike.delp
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
In our area So IL/metro St.Louis
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chadd,
I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of
your
north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle
pop. You are at the edge of our
+ 36 dBm EIRP
Dylan Oliver wrote:
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chadd,
I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of
your
north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your
Yes 36 dBm.
Thanks,
Chadd
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Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit
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From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chadd,
I did
Sorry,
The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from
what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see
the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a
sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a
Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's max
eirp is 4 watts. 36dB
laters,
marlon
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From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider
can you elaborate on HAD offers ... please?
Thanks.
Mario
Steve Stroh wrote:
You've HAD offers that have been refused...
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now.
Independently and with
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that
the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of
WISPs following the rules. The phrase I
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs using
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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Yeah, for sure.
However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How
many
times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an
illegal network and never
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that
the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of
WISPs following the rules. The phrase I
: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt
white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum
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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM
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Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear?
These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them?
Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear?
These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them?
Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being
Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear?
These are your peers. Do you like being
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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that
the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of
WISPs following the rules
where the speedometer is located.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
, February 06, 2007 5:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant.
Unfortuneately, it won't stay that way, if we let the industry slowly
deteriorate and slide.
I think compliance is a message that continually needs to be revisited
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:22 PM
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I got my blood pressure up. I am sorry. Say
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the
list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year the
department of transportation decided to erect giant poles down the
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC
acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to
the
list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year
the
department of transportation
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From: cw
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the
list of not playing
You've HAD offers that have been refused...
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now.
Independently and with Cisco, New America, Media Access Project and
I've recently had talks with the
Patrick is correct - Flarion was working on 802.20 (full mobility
broadband) which, with the borging of Flarion by Qualcomm, has
essentially terminated.
Mobile Broadband standards work now seems to have shifted fully over
to 802.16e / Mobile WiMAX (which will be 100% licensed spectrum.)
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a we'll
stay out of the way of
All,
This might clear up some confusion about which spectrum might become
unlicensed.
As quoted from the press release;
The WIN Act specifically requires the FCC to permit
license-free use of the unassigned broadcast spectrum between 54MHz and
698 MHz within
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum
becoming unlicensed?
Then, I suppose a standard will have to be drafted and approved before
we see any gear. So is that a couple of years if we're lucky before we
can use sub-700Mhz to penetrate through trees in rural
What kind of speed can be obtained on such low frequencies?
-RickG
On 1/24/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been
created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3
years of the FCC meat grinder. There
John:
There IS an IEEE standard in the works for the TV whitespaces -
802.22 - http://www.ieee802.org/22/
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:55 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been
created through the NPRM known as
and remain to be a WISPs #1
proponent!! Thanks for all you do.
Mac Dearman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Stroh
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
John
Likelihood of unlicensed???
My guess is that the established communications carriers and the
broadcasters will fight the concept of license-free use of this space. I
expect it will come down to who lobbies Congress most effectively.
Mario Pommier wrote:
Any info through the grapevine about
It depends on the depth of modulation used and other factors. In a 6 meg
TV channel space I am guessing you could easily see 15 to 20 megabit
aggregate throughput over a good coverage area. (Maybe 3 miles radius?)
NOTE: The above are generalized best guesses on my part as I have never
even
I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared
for any particular spectrum until now. Glad to hear the efforts are
underway. Isn't Flarion's IP based closely on what will be 802.22? Was
there an earlier effort for 802.22 standards development that was
spectrum agnostic?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:13 AM
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I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared
for any
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From: Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum
becoming unlicensed?
Then, I suppose a standard
I do not know what you are asking. Marlon and I were debating what type
of system we should try to get the FCC to allow us to use as a test bed
system for experimentation with unused television channel space as a
platform for broadband delivery. I think we are all talking about the
same thing
Marlon, I'm rather surprised that you would even mention 2.4GHz(wifi I
assume) as a possible technology to use in these bands. Now that they
have cellular technologies specifically designed for BWA purposes
(Canopy and WIMAX are good examples) and given the possibility of a
fresh start to
-From: Ron Wallace
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006
4:25 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] tv
white spaces update and a question for you guys
Here is the relevant paragraph.
"The Notice proposed to require that fixed
unlicensed de
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