Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-27 Thread Brough Turner
As Mike points out, beamforming is an optional part of the 802.11n standard and there is at least some silicon support for this option emerging (more on that in a moment). The confusion arises because there are several different things which are legitimately called beamforming. The simplest

Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-27 Thread Pat O'Connor
A good primer on 802.11n. Beamfroring starts at page 6. Brough Turner wrote: As Mike points out, beamforming is an optional part of the 802.11n standard and there is at least some silicon support for this option emerging (more on that in a moment). The confusion arises because there

Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-26 Thread Mike Hammett
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4558648 In the IEEE 802.11n draft standard, beamforming is adopted as an optional feature to improve signal reception and simplify receiver design. Beamforming is available in 802.11N, though I don't know of any products using that

[WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-25 Thread Rogelio
I see lots of discussion about the new 802.11n standard supporting beam forming, and I'm trying to wade through the chipset ones (e.g. Ruckus, Extricom, Meru, etc) and other solutions that claim to be more standards based. From what I gather from the marketing literature, the various vendor

Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Rogelio, Please don't take this the wrong way. You are trying to understand a very complex 'patented' technology via a very simplistic understanding. Beam forming is a very complex (lots of analytical analysis done on a real time basis) technology, there are a number of Masters PHD

Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
interference nulling, etc), but that seems to have limited effectiveness when it comes to receiving transmitted packets from the client end (resulting in slow uplink?). Multi-antenna systems like the ones doing beamforming can provide MRC (Maximal-Ratio Combining), which does improve the

Re: [WISPA] chipset vs standard based beam forming?

2010-10-25 Thread RickG
This reminds me of another question I have: Why dont I get synchronous speeds? On a rare occasion, I do, but not normally. LOL, once in a while, I get better uploads than downloads and cant explain that either! On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Rogelio,