FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi hotspot sign -- outdoor grade

2012-05-08 Thread Kern, Paul
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4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Lee H Badman
With no intent to open a conversational can 'o worms, I'm curious if anyone is running a 4-channel plan on their production WLANs, that is willing to share their opinions and experiences on the topic. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse

RE: 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Kellogg, Brian D.
I'm interested in any real-world results as well. Thanks, Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: 4-channels in

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Scott Smith
I've been using 4 channels in the 2.4GHz for years.  I've seen and tested heavily when we first switched to that idea, but since then I've more advanced RF technologies and other research that has shown that 1, 6, 11, and 1 in the same area is better than 4 unique channel

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Robert Harris
We ran a 4 channel plan for a couple years on our aruba system. Very dense ap deployment, lots of interference (necessary evil for the # of users and solid construction of buildings). Worked fine till we swapped to code 3.x.x.x, we were told that the ARM features all were tuned for the 3 channel pl

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Pete Hoffswell
Good morning - I can't speak for our on campus network, as that is all managed by wireless lan controllers. But I can speak about a different experience - As a consultant for NANOG, we would set up wireless networks in conference centers across the country. The wireless space would be pretty sa

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
Lee, Univ. of TN Knoxville still runs 4 channels (1-4-8-11) and has been doing so since 2000! This said, we had a long discussion with Aruba Networks engineers about 3 VS 4 and they mentioned that their algorithms are better tuned for 3 channels (I suspect that it is the case for most vendors t

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread John Kaftan
With the 3 channel system rouges are less likely to cause issues I'd think. A rouge is likely to use 1 6 or 11 as that is the standard. If you have a 4 channel system a rouge is going to be a huge problem where it is only an annoyance in a 3 channel system. I have found that co-channel interferen

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread David Gillett
Our pilot deployment included four APs in a single fairly-small building. If I recall correctly, I put the two in the middle of the building on channels 1 and 11, with the two further out, one on ch8 (nearest the AP on ch1) and one on ch4 (nearest the AP on ch11). I'm pretty sure these were only

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
I looked into this about 18 months ago for our campus. It never made it to the point of a trial: I learned enough to stop the project before it made it that far, and I think I can summarize here what I found. I'll start by going back to basics: we all know that wireless channels overlap. A graph o

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
On May 8, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Coehoorn, Joel wrote: The short answer is "no". It comes down to the skirts again. Most low-end tools to measure wireless coverage do a poor job of showing this, but my understanding is that wifi RF is such that the skirts "flare out" quickly, and you have nearly al

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
Phillippe, this is something I would **love** to be shown to be wrong about. I think all of us could benefit from a 4th channel (I know I would), if it comes with clear guidelines for when and how to use it in a way that will increase rather than decrease throughput. Right now, the best guidelines

RE: 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Kellogg, Brian D.
I believe Ruckus is working on something called ChannelFly that will utilize more than the standard 1, 6, and 11 2.4Ghz channels. Fyi, Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Tuesday, M

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Karl Reuss
Cisco has a paper on this with some graphs showing "energy overlap" on 4 channel deployments for both 802.11b and 802.11g. The 802.11g OFDM signal seemed more prone to interference in a 4 channel setup so we stuck with 1,6,11. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/technology/channel/depl

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 4-channels in 2.4 GHz

2012-05-08 Thread Ron Walczak
Joel, You last comment hit the nail on the head. We have been advising clients to migrate to 5.8 Ghz ASAP for years. 2.4 Ghz is a garbage band and all the rogues make it impossible to gain any density and throughput. While you may be adhering to 1-6-11, the rogues may not be, and many enterpris