RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-17 Thread Kurtis Olsen
Thank you everyone for your responses and discussion. This has helped me gather more information as we look to find a simpler solution for our students. Kurtis Olsen Director – Network & Telecom Utah Valley University 800 W University Prkway Orem, UT 84058 801-863-8000 ** Replies to E

Re: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-13 Thread Green, William C
I won't argue for or against TLS or for other methods without understanding the context and use case… What fits the risk/benefit/cost profile for a particular community or subset? Observationally, eduroam reports show only 5% of visitors to our university utilizing TLS. We labbed up the MITM

RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Enfield, Chuck
Hi William. “Most need no instructions and figure it out on their own,” may not be the virtue you think it is. How many of these users figuring it out on their own are validating your RADIUS server certs? Self-configuration invites MiM attacks that can harvest account credentials. It’s preci

Re: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Green, William C
We’ve found its easier for our community to onboard to our 802.1x SSID with the native supplicant of the device, rather than download and run an installer (are dropping the installer). Most need no instructions and figure it out on their own. While we offer an iPSK SSID, it is not as easy— per

RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Turner, Ryan H
I think your problem is the NAC solution... I was one of the first to deploy campus wide NAC (2006) and then we pushed agents a few years after. The time for NAC agents has come and gone in my mind. We have removed it from practically every place that has it. There is one large school that s

RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Lee H Badman
Amen- NAC is often a solution to problems that either don't exist or that don't warrant the weight of the NAC. These solutions are not without value per se, but at onboarding time? Nah. Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200) Information Technology Services (NDD Group) 206 Machinery Hall 120 S

RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Floyd, Brad
Kurtis, If students are using an open SSID as a general purpose wireless network, you may want to require them to fire up a VPN session to get to trusted resources (LMS, scheduling, bursar, etc). Thanks, Brad From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTS

RE: Feasibility of an open SSID for student use

2019-09-12 Thread Lee H Badman
We currently use an open network with private IP addressing that is very limited on where it can go. Connect to SSID, open browser, go to our Cloudpath wizard (has been replaced with appliance, but we haven't decided if we are interested in that). Get configured for 802.1X, have a few settings t